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Pictures Inside A New Barrel

One of the things I learned many years ago as a savage shooter is you never look down the barrel on a new rifle, (Savage in this case). I did scope the barrels before this and Savage barrels at that time looked like they were finished with a rasp. However that rifle could shoot groups far past my ability shoot, and at that time I was a very good shot.
The advice to not look down the barrel came from a member of the Savage factory team, and at that time the factory team was winning match's world wide. He also pointed out that they were only using off the rack rifles in those classes.

This info may still be able to be found on the SavageShooters forum. It was years ago when it was posted. I haven't looked down a rifle barrel since, just clean it and shoot it and see what you bought.
 
To me it looks like a barrel that was reamed, buttoned, and out the door. I can see reamer marks but no sign of lapping after the button was pulled.
 
If the chamber has been cut I always check to see if at least the throat is concentric to the bore, crown is even and obvious bore abnormalities.

Seems to be no end to the ways manufacturers can screw up a barrel.
 
Follow up on the barrel:
The second one came, had no fouling or jacket material inside plus the crown hadn't been re cut. By what I saw inside, I'm gonna say it had never been near a bullet. Also, it wasn't full of gouges and tool marks. After putting 10 rounds through it, I ran a few patches through it with C4 carbon remover to see how much copper it held. Surprisingly, I didn't find any. The accuracy was very good considering 0 load development too.
The 1st came from a company with a 1MOA accuracy guarantee so I figure it had been sent back, re crowned then put back in the system. It might have been OK but considering everything I saw inside, why waste components trying to find out?
Yea, I'll keep my Teslong and will keep looking inside new barrels.
 
justpassinthru said:
Follow up on the barrel:
The second one came, had no fouling or jacket material inside plus the crown hadn't been re cut. By what I saw inside, I'm gonna say it had never been near a bullet. Also, it wasn't full of gouges and tool marks. After putting 10 rounds through it, I ran a few patches through it with C4 carbon remover to see how much copper it held. Surprisingly, I didn't find any. The accuracy was very good considering 0 load development too.
The 1st came from a company with a 1MOA accuracy guarantee so I figure it had been sent back, re crowned then put back in the system. It might have been OK but considering everything I saw inside, why waste components trying to find out?
Yea, I'll keep my Teslong and will keep looking inside new barrels.
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C4 carbon remover shows copper?
 
Ray123 said:
It's not a hand lapped barrel...looks like a typical standard production barrel. If the chamber area looks good. Lap it...then shoot it.
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Clean barrel, then, LAP with, some JB's or, Iosso "Slathered on" a tight Patch, over, a Bronze Brush about, 10-15 Strokes, all ONE way,.. then, CLEAN, thoroughly AGAIN,.. go Shoot !
I do THIS to all New, UN-Lapped, Factory Barrels and they,.. "Shoot" !
Also, they, Clean, much easier / faster and the Barrel is, "Broken In" ( Up to, Speed ),.. Faster
Glad that, you're Happy, Now ! First Barrel probably WAS,.. a returned Barrel
 
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butchlambert said:
C4 carbon remover shows copper?
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I figure if I remove all the powder residue without touching the copper, I will see it.
Didn't use Eliminator first because I didn't want to disturb the copper. Is that incorrect?
The thing is, there wasn't any. The used barrel I was sent, was full of copper and tool marks.
Which barrel would you rather have? One full or tool marks and gouges someone had returned that had been re crowned or a new barrel without any visible flaws?
If I'm sent a reject, it needs to be reflected in the price and that one wasn't.
 
justpassinthru said:
I figure if I remove all the powder residue without touching the copper, I will see it.
Didn't use Eliminator first because I didn't want to disturb the copper. Is that incorrect?
The thing is, there wasn't any. The used barrel I was sent, was full of copper and tool marks.
Which barrel would you rather have? One full or tool marks and gouges someone had returned that had been re crowned or a new barrel without any visible flaws?
If I'm sent a reject, it needs to be reflected in the price and that one wasn't.
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Talking to me? I just wondered about the carbon remover.
 
That's not copper/brass from being fired.

Go shoot the thing; for crying out loud, give it a chance, and use the RIGHT scope to see if it is a good barrel.
 
butchlambert said:
Talking to me? I just wondered about the carbon remover.
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The OP stated he used C4 Carbon Remover, in the barrel after 10 test shots, to see how much copper the barrel held. After 10 shots he used his bore scope, and didn't see any copper left in the barrel.

If you re-read his post it should make sense.
 
John11-87 said:
The OP stated he used C4 Carbon Remover, in the barrel after 10 test shots, to see how much copper the barrel held. After 10 shots he used his bore scope, and didn't see any copper left in the barrel.

If you re-read his post it should make sense.
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John, I don't need to reread his post. I'm not arguing with him. I just asked a question.
 
The OP spoke with the vendor, the first barrel was returned. The second barrel arrived and looked good on a borescope inspection, was shot and upon cleaning showed no copper fouling. OP was just stating that he is satisfied.

I think some posts were skipped over or details missed. Just attempting to clear the air.

It's all good guys.
 
justpassinthru said:
OK, I'll try this again.

If you use a chemical that has no effect on copper but removes powder fouling, isn't that "showing copper?
I thought that was clear in the other post.
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Ah. The term 'showing copper' often refers to showing blue on a patch that indicates there is copper in the barrel.
 
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