patching between cards

[doclu60]

This is interesting hearing of all the cleaning regimens. I was always told to keep the carbon rings under check and never clean your barrel unless accuracy falls off. Heard of guys never cleaning their barrels. Does this only apply to BR competitions?

You would not believe all the guys I have beat after they told me I was ruining how my rifle will shoot by cleaning it during a match. Those guys were mostly shooting factory barrels on Annies in high level sanctioned matches where there were lots of custom built RFBR rifles there when they shot their mouths off. Shooting your mouth and shooting your rifle are two entirely different things. Not every barrel is the same, but as I described above, I don't clean every competition rifle I own the same. It takes range work and rounds on a card to establish what your barrel needs or wants.

Scott

 

[doclu60]

Why do they call it a "Card"? Is it the size of a playing card?

No, it's 17" tall and 11.5" wide, that being the current IR50/50 card, the ARA card, (25 bulls each) and the ABRA card (20 bulls each). We call them cards, because they are targets printed on card stock. Having the proper weight card stock for targets not only produces truer bullet holes, but they are also more precise when you need to plug during scoring.

Scott

 

[JEFFPPC]

I notice that some folks say they patch the barrel between cards at a match. Hope this doesn't sound silly but, do most people just dry patch or do they wet patch and then dry. Don't mean to be too finite but since rifles and ammo have gotten so good, I think we're down to the little things that can make a difference. I would love to hear the opinions.

Jim

Lol, every rimfire shooter I know constantly cries about either can't find or sold out good lots. Sounds like an ammo problem to me. Why I never got in the rim fire game.

 

[doclu60]

Scott,
Not much to argue with here. I would throw out one minor caveat that the "dry patch" crew should consider that the recently departed WLM used to employ, especially shooting ELEY.
If you continue to dry patch.....make sure you do it within about 1 minute after your last shot, when the barrel has warm/soft lube. Greatly reduces the impact you cover.
That said, hard to beat 1st oiled, and again, sooner, better.

Tim

Hey Tim, I shoot four IR 3-Gun matches a month and three of them I am the MD for. I was not aware of the WLM's thought about the one minute rule, but I can say it would be very hard for any competitor to be cleaning within a minute of their last shot, even if they are not running the match. Most of the guys I shoot with finish their card many minutes before the 30 minutes have expired, and neither myself nor Voelker will allow cleaning on the bench before everyone is finished. So, never push your first patch dry. C4 works, as it is basically detergent and very slippery, and when it's in there, it's already working on the carbon. Or an oiled patch. Just not a dry one.

As you know, the only way to know what your barrel likes is to test it. Just like you test ammo to find a good lot, you need to test what your barrel likes to find the optimal maintenance regimen for good performance on the cards on that specific barrel. Anything I have ever posted on a cleaning thread was based on MY personal barrels, not someone else's, and several of mine get different cleaning regimens.

Scott

 

[doclu60]

Lol, every rimfire shooter I know constantly cries about either can't find or sold out good lots. Sounds like an ammo problem to me. Why I never got in the rim fire game.

Lol to you as well, Mr. PPC centerfire guy with your thousands of posts and 5 digit responses. Just what exactly, does your post have to do with the subject matter of this thread? NOTHING!! This is a cleaning thread, NOT a lot selection thread, yet you come in here with your 'opinion' that has NOTHING to do with the subject matter of the thread.

Besides being Mr. PPC, is another one of your hobbies jacking another person's thread who wants to learn something from people willing to post those answers to their questions who actually shoot big time RFBR? People just like you and your meaningless opinion on a thread that is meaningless to you as well, which is exemplified by your crappy not on subject post, drives others who do know some of the answers to new guys wanting to learn away from posting at all. Guess you think everyone 'needs' your opinion, whether it is within the subject matter, or not, from a guy that says he doesn't even shoot RFBR.

Self-absorbed troll is what I am seeing.

Scott

 

[ISS]

thank you gentlemen...

Rich

 

[JEFFPPC]

Lol to you as well, Mr. PPC centerfire guy with your thousands of posts and 5 digit responses. Just what exactly, does your post have to do with the subject matter of this thread? NOTHING!! This is a cleaning thread, NOT a lot selection thread, yet you come in here with your 'opinion' that has NOTHING to do with the subject matter of the thread.

Besides being Mr. PPC, is another one of your hobbies jacking another person's thread who wants to learn something from people willing to post those answers to their questions who actually shoot big time RFBR? People just like you and your meaningless opinion on a thread that is meaningless to you as well, which is exemplified by your crappy not on subject post, drives others who do know some of the answers to new guys wanting to learn away from posting at all. Guess you think everyone 'needs' your opinion, whether it is within the subject matter, or not, from a guy that says he doesn't even shoot RFBR.

Self-absorbed troll is what I am seeing.

Scott

Do you feel better now? Guess I stepped in your Wheaties. Go hunt some ammo.

 

[houligan]

This is why this forum is so much better than that other, over regulated, over ruled, walking on eggshells, forum. Here, you can exercise your right to free speech.

 

[Dgd6mm]

Sometimes. 5,4,3,2,1.....delete

 

[TRSR8]

Hey Tim, I shoot four IR 3-Gun matches a month and three of them I am the MD for. I was not aware of the WLM's thought about the one minute rule, but I can say it would be very hard for any competitor to be cleaning within a minute of their last shot, even if they are not running the match. Most of the guys I shoot with finish their card many minutes before the 30 minutes have expired, and neither myself nor Voelker will allow cleaning on the bench before everyone is finished. So, never push your first patch dry. C4 works, as it is basically detergent and very slippery, and when it's in there, it's already working on the carbon. Or an oiled patch. Just not a dry one.

As you know, the only way to know what your barrel likes is to test it. Just like you test ammo to find a good lot, you need to test what your barrel likes to find the optimal maintenance regimen for good performance on the cards on that specific barrel. Anything I have ever posted on a cleaning thread was based on MY personal barrels, not someone else's, and several of mine get different cleaning regimens.

Scott

Yep. We’ve usually allowed guys to vacate benches as long as they’re not disruptive.
While I’ve done it on occasion back when, these days just a lightly oiled patch to start