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PA might come out of the 19th Century!

They are voting on Semi-Auto rifles for Chucks, Fox and Yotes! Also Sunday hunting for 8-10 weekends of the year. Don't know where I stand on this but banning Semi rifles just adds to the Anti-Gunners with Assualt versus Hunting firearms. At least a species specific won't let them claim they can't be used for hunting. Looking forward to getting the AR and Mini 14 out for some Chucks!
 
I'm fine w/ Sunday hunting as long as tags/total number of hunting days are appropriately reduced. I'm getting awful tired of hearing a lot of folks claim that "there are no deer left", then in the same breath lobbying for more days to hunt....The sad part is that even the People's Republik of New York are allowed to use semis (with a fixed buttstock).
 
Heck yeah, I would love to get some chucks in my yard or neighbors fields with some kind of semi! But still love those bolt rifles!

Don't forget Pa. is going back to buck only the first 5 days of deer season this year. Then anything goes the first saturday. Looks like Gary Alts master plan of all bucks will be wall hanger's is by the wayside after years of experimentation. I never liked the concurrent deer season since day 1.

Frank
 
civil82 said:
I'm fine w/ Sunday hunting as long as tags/total number of hunting days are appropriately reduced. I'm getting awful tired of hearing a lot of folks claim that "there are no deer left", then in the same breath lobbying for more days to hunt....The sad part is that even the People's Republik of New York are allowed to use semis (with a fixed buttstock).

Hunting days reduced?! @#$ that. we get a whopping 6 weeks of archery the cut off in the rut. Many can only get out on Saturdays that's not even a week of hunting.
 
I'm not sure how I feel about it. There's too many punk ass kids with AK's and by kids I'm talking up to in their late 20's. Yeah I know it's a 6 round limit but listen to the idiots with their pump guns rattle off shots instead of aiming, I've already had bullets whizzing past me when a buck ran by, not a warm and fuzzy feeling.
 
I like the first week "Buck Only" and we are seeing more Buck, and larger Buck, in our area 4A. With Sundays I'm afraid people will get on private land where they don't want Sunday hunting and ruin it for all when it gets posted. If all were to ask permission and follow the landowner's directions perhaps it would be moot, but.....JMHO
 
ARshuter said:
I'm not sure how I feel about it. There's too many punk *** kids with AK's and by kids I'm talking up to in their late 20's. Yeah I know it's a 6 round limit but listen to the idiots with their pump guns rattle off shots instead of aiming, I've already had bullets whizzing past me when a buck ran by, not a warm and fuzzy feeling.
No Deer, just Chucks, Fox and Yotes. But to respond to your concerns, the other states aren't reporting a bunch of dead hunters, just sayin".
 
Mixed emotions on this one. Hunted Pennsylvania for almost 50 years before moving. To me Sundays were days to go to church, travel to and from hunting camp and generally do family things. I like the "no hunting on Sunday" thing.

As for semi-automatics I do not even like to be around the things. Those AR15 clone "weekend warriors" make trouble at the range, are way too often obnoxious, unsafe, loud goons wanting to just rattle off shells. Heck they can't even figure out how to hold bolts open to comply with range rules let alone unload clips.

In Georgia they are allowed to use the things. Three people that I consider poor shooters and hunters went to AR clones. Now they have been rattling off lots of shots at deer over the years and literally getting nothing but stories of following blood trails. They make no serious effort to actually be good and accurate with the things. Now this is on private land where others are not around.

Pennsylvania hunting is mostly public land. You just never know where others might be. I sure can see the goons I see using those things doing the same on public land to something they might want to shoot.

Limiting it to varmints when there's low hunting pressure might be fine. Opening it to the unwashed masses on public lands so crowded in Pennsylvania is an unknown I don't want to be around.
 
grew up in Pa, which is allegedly more hunter friendly than NY. BUT, i came here and rabbit season starts Oct 1 and ends Feb 28, with no breaks. I have never had to share a field with a rabbit hunter. I bought a Ruger MK2 22 and hunted bunnies, and squirrel, even got a flying grouse with it. A real blast and certainly better than the Ruger single six I learned on. Hunted deer with a TC Contender in 357 herret and took 19 deer. Oh, and deer hunting? 3 solid weeks, and with a tag can take does. Sunday hunting? yep and no issues. When we ok'd rifles (it was shotgun only and sooo dumb) I thought it would turn into a AR fest. Actually everyone just went out and bought a bolt gun and that was it. The AR bangers tend to not show up too much. Now we have to register them so there "are no AR's in NY" anymore....but we can use inlines...and air rifles to hunt with too

PA is in the 17th century.

Snert
 
I for one, don't want to see semi's as legal for any game....too many will use the cheapest ammo available which is metal jacket which will produce more dangerous ricochets. I also say no to Sunday hunting, too many landowners will close their land to hunting if enacted. Also, I am against anything promoting a Progressive Society. Gary Alt's program has produced larger and older antlered deer here in NE PA....a fact that is indisputable. I am ashamed of the way many so called "hunters" had placed threats against him for his policies after his successful bear program and minimum point restrictions on deer. Some apparently feel it is a given right to harvest ANY deer regardless of the desire to protect the quality of the herd.
 
MrMajestic said:
ARshuter said:
I'm not sure how I feel about it. There's too many punk *** kids with AK's and by kids I'm talking up to in their late 20's. Yeah I know it's a 6 round limit but listen to the idiots with their pump guns rattle off shots instead of aiming, I've already had bullets whizzing past me when a buck ran by, not a warm and fuzzy feeling.
No Deer, just Chucks, Fox and Yotes. But to respond to your concerns, the other states aren't reporting a bunch of dead hunters, just sayin".
My point being the careless hunters of Pa. ricochets on hard ground, etc. As for Sunday hunting, there have been Saturdays and even a few opening days I've sat in my stand all day long and never seen another hunter, how can people bitch about needed more days to hunt when they're in the bars instead of the fields.
 
Oh, and when I left PA the most poplular deer rifle was the Rem 760...which is one darn fast shooter. Hardly any different than a semi.

I never saw the sense in the "no rifles" thing here...and even in NY they finally figured out how dumb that was. I recall my early years in PA hunting in what could be called the suburbs...often within 150 yards of houses with a 30-06. never heard of any issues because we were careful and aimed at known safe deer. When I came here I tried the 1100 Remington deer drive thing...once. After that firefight i walked away and got a TC, built a very high tree fort and killed nearly all 19 deer from it, from up high where I was out of the line of fire! Guys who hunt with rifles are now much more safety aware than when they shot short range slug guns that bounced lead all over the fields.
 
I would welcome Sunday hunting in PA. It may help arrest the decline in hunters and license sales in the state. Those numbers have been trending down for the last twelve years especially in the juniors.
 
I would love for PA to allow Sunday hunting. I work 6 days a week leaving only Sunday to hunt. I know many other people I work with are in the same boat as me. I am not sure about PA but overall hunter numbers are down across the country and continue to go down. If Sunday was allowed I know I would buy a license and tags to hunt as well as several others I work with. As for deer numbers being down not in my area, I have sat at the house on Sundays looking out at the neighbors field watching as many as 20 does graze during rifle season. I have permission to hunt there from the land owner but wait not permission from the state government because it is Sunday. As for semi-autos not my first choice for a deer hunting gun but a ruger 10/22 and some squirrel hunting is hard to beat.

PS since I have been working PA I have killed two deer with my vehicle. Am I suppose to feel worse about the one I hit on Sunday and ok about the other one during the week?
 
LHSmith said:
I for one, don't want to see semi's as legal for any game....too many will use the cheapest ammo available which is metal jacket which will produce more dangerous ricochets. I also say no to Sunday hunting, too many landowners will close their land to hunting if enacted. Also, I am against anything promoting a Progressive Society. Gary Alt's program has produced larger and older antlered deer here in NE PA....a fact that is indisputable. I am ashamed of the way many so called "hunters" had placed threats against him for his policies after his successful bear program and minimum point restrictions on deer. Some apparently feel it is a given right to harvest ANY deer regardless of the desire to protect the quality of the herd.

I truly hope you don't get your way. Its illegal to hunt with FMJ's for deer anyway. Like Gary said Sundays are the only day many get to hunt, let the farmer tell you if you can sunday hunt or not. I have many varmint farms in MD that the farmer doesn't allow sunday hunting, but he wants me in there Mon-Sat. People just need to realize that farmers aren't "knee jerk" reacting dummies they realize that the heard needs thinned or their livley hood is going to get ate up literally.
 
Seems to me a few state legislators are the knee jerk reacting dummies in this case. Allowing AR's for hunting will eventually lead to the majority of the state going to shotgun only as "stray bullet incidents" will become all too commonplace. These new proposals are wrought full of unintended consequences in order to satisfy the demands of a very few.
 
That is not the definition of a knee jerk reaction, this has been years of debate. Stray semi bullets have will fly as far as bolt gun stray bullets, you're condemning this before it even gets started. Do you have any links for studies once semi's are allowed that hunter accidents incline?
 
Most farmers around here are Religious and reserve Sundays for Church, Family and rest. I believe Sunday hunting would close a lot of hunting land. In almost all of our public land we don't need anymore pressure. There are areas where you can drive for miles 3 days after a snow and can't see a track. The days of seeing 20 or more deer till 9:00 AM opening morning are gone. Most people I talked to that quit hunting, quit because they got tired of seeing few or no deer. How can you get the youngsters interested in hunting when you sit for hours in the cold and see nothing. Matt
 
All you have to do is ask the farmer and let him tell you yes or no to sunday hunting. A farmer that closes all hunting will not have a good crop next year.
 

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