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OT: any one know anything about water wells?

I typically drill {have drilled and pay for} about 10 or 12 wells a year.....I build houses. Where I live we have 3 separate "aquifers" {rivers underground}...we are lucky in that you can literally drill anywhere it is convenient and hit water. They use a rig called a "sand drill", it has three separate carbide triangular paddle looking things that make up the bit. There is really no rock here except for gravel and the sand drill will feed down into the ground as fast as the machine will go. All our wells here are 4" PVC pipe lined all the way to the bottom. In flood zones the casing has to be grouted on the outside. A typical drilled well here is 300-600 ft. and costs $8500.00 plus or minus.
I have a hunting cabin in the mountains, they do it a little different there...it is an 8" hole that is done with a big air compressor operated ram that knocks and vibrates it's way down thru the rock. They only line the well thru the dirt or overburden, once thru to solid rock it gets no liner. There are no aquifers in the mountains where my cabin is so you simply drill and pray you hit a fissure that contains water. You never know how deep you have to go there, might get lucky...but I did not. Nope, mine had to go 900 feet. Actually hit water at 600. This well cost me $24,000.00 and change. The water looked like tea {iron} for the first year, but I didn't really use it enough to get it to run clear.
The point being, I have been down the road with wells...my suggestion to you is to first find out if this well is or ever was an acceptable usable aquifer {well that produces safe water as far as the local health dept is concerned} because if it is not then you cant legally use it and more important probably should not. Second thing I would do is find out just how old this thing is if possible...cast iron liners don't last forever. You should be able to get this information from your health dept. They should also be able to tell you how deep it is.
My question is; there should be another pipe inside the liner that the water comes up in. If you are planning to run a 5" pipe down there then you must not see the internal pipe. Did someone take it out??? Not sure I understand how you will draw water from a 6" lined hole in the ground without it. Next question is do you also see the wires that run down to the pump??? Typically, the wire and the internal line all get pulled together....it sounds like that is missing????? Where is this well located geographically??? {if you don't mind me asking....}
 
A decent analogy for many aquifers is to imagine a bucket filled with sand plus a few cups of water. Stick a soda straw into the sand and "pump out" water with an eye dropper. That's pretty much the way it is around here. You can complicate it by putting down sheets of plastic wrap every few inches when putting the sand in the bucket. This represents clay or shale strata which are relatively impervious to water migration. You can also add some rotten eggs to a few of the sand layers to represent the strata you don't want to take water from. This is why there's a steel or PVC casing. You drill to the layer you want and case the rest so it doesn't contaminate your water. This is also why wells should be plugged with cement when no longer in use. Unfortunately, this costs money and there is little regulation in many areas to see that it gets done. Only in certain "Karst" areas is an aquifer an "underground river", literally flowing through caverns in limestone or similar rock. Aquifers like this are found in parts of Florida. In hardrock geology areas, like @msinc's cabin, you normally need to locate a fault-line along which water collects. This generally involves either a great deal of luck or hiring an experienced geologist to locate the well site.
 
some times a driller will blow a well with compressed air using a large air compressor where the put down a small diameter pipe {1/2"} and blow out the well with the compressed air to remove sand and other debris! I have had this done but I don't know about it if you have big debris. And after they blow it out they check the output and measure the depth so you can set your pump depth. But i am sure there are a lot of variables. Good Luck but you do need a well pro, Ron
 
Most drillers in this area drill by the foot. Go in an old unknown hole and get hung the charge goes by the hour. Could go on for days and if they don't get loose, you pay and still no well. Test the water move over a few feet and drill a new one.
Handi204
 
some times a driller will blow a well with compressed air using a large air compressor where the put down a small diameter pipe {1/2"} and blow out the well with the compressed air to remove sand and other debris! I have had this done but I don't know about it if you have big debris. And after they blow it out they check the output and measure the depth so you can set your pump depth. But i am sure there are a lot of variables. Good Luck but you do need a well pro, Ron

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Most drillers in this area drill by the foot. Go in an old unknown hole and get hung the charge goes by the hour. Could go on for days and if they don't get loose, you pay and still no well. Test the water move over a few feet and drill a new one.
Handi204

Yes, $14.00 per foot to drill and another $14.00 per foot for the epoxy coated steel liner {if you need it}....this was back in 2011. I don't know what it has gone up to now. I should have been a well driller!!!! That was in the mountains...here at home when I build a new house the driller shows up typically at 3:00 in the afternoon. He sets up his rig and leaves. Returns at 6:00am the next day and is gone by 1:00pm......$8500 later, I have a well. If it's in a flood zone the price jumps to somewhere around $12,000 or if it needs a soft start pump like in the mountains that adds several thousand more. People always ask, "how can they charge so much???" They charge so much because they can get it. You gotta have water.
 
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The OP is being responsible and approaching this in the right way, getting all the crap cleaned out and finding out what is what with the well. The issue here is not drilling, but cleanout. It does not require a drill rig or anything like that. You can do everything that can be done with a picker and an air compressor, and miscellaneous hoses and tools.

If you can find a couple of lengths of sucker rod at a steel recycling place you could build an attachment with a large sheet rock or deck screw threading into the sucker rod. Lower this down to wood debris, jab it to get it started, and screw it in as far as you can, then pull it up. Would also probably work with plastic and cans. Repeat as necessary. It usually comes in 20 foot lengths; you probably don't want to deal with more than about two; it gets really heavy.
 
People always ask, "how can they charge so much???" They charge so much because they can get it.
Have you ever priced a drill rig? Nobody's getting rich drilling water wells. It's miserable, hard physical work and the maintenance is incredibly expensive. Sure, sometimes you get a four-hour well where everything goes perfectly, but that has to balance out with the ones that keep collapsing, or thousand-dollar bits getting stuck, or an unexpected Volkswagen-sized granite boulder, or a blown main seal, and before you know it you've got three days and five figures of busted equipment into a well and still have to honor your quote.
 
Have you ever priced a drill rig? Nobody's getting rich drilling water wells.

Yep, current sand drill type are around $250k and the hard rock air powered drills are anywhere from $350-$425K which will get you to 1500 feet. "Getting rich" depends on what you call "rich"....I can tell you this, at $8500 to $15,000 per day per well, and yes he very typically drills one a day. Do the math, he aint hurtin' any. I understand it's not all rainbows and unicorns drilling wells, just like I don't put $450k in my pocket every time I sell a new house. He certainly has maintenance costs, but the fact still remains, he could double his prices and the rest of the world would have no choice but to suck it up.
He is a personal friend, we hunt together, everything he has is paid for and I can tell you that he don't owe anybody anything. I think it is pretty safe to say that hitting the welfare line is not in the foreseeable future for too many well drillers. Crying poverty and living it is two different things.
 
Get a well guy to jet it. You would be amazed at what 1200 psi and a whole bunch of cfm of air can move. It will also tell you if there is any water in
that well. I wouldn't hold out much hope but it is an adventure.
 
Our well drillers charge 60-90 a foot. Our water in this area is shallow. wells are mostly 100 to 150 max. someone told me they had water at 14' but im at 16' now. I just got my spring loaded post hole digger done. I wont be back to the well for a while. Sorry no green wire or gold. but i may pan a scoop or two if i get to the bottom or from my other well when i open the shack and change the pump. The gold was in a truck, about 5/8oz of fine gold and some other gold bearing material may have 1/4 oz in it if im lucky. Even some confederate money.
 
Our well drillers charge 60-90 a foot. Our water in this area is shallow. wells are mostly 100 to 150 max. someone told me they had water at 14' but im at 16' now. ......... Even some confederate money.
Only "recent" wells have had electric pumps at the bottom. In the old days there would be one of two types of pumps: 1) A long rod going down to a pump mechanism below the water table or 2) A jet pump has two pipes, one sending water down and another sending water up with a ejector on the end that produces a suction when the downward-flowing water turned the corner to go back up. The 2nd type were generally used in fairly shallow wells but could go to about 140'. The distance you can suck water up by pure vacuum (e.g. a pitcher pump) has a theoretical limit of 32' because it's not actually pulled up by the vacuum, so much as being pushed up by atmospheric pressure. In either case, the down-hole parts would probably have been salvaged, being worth removing and reusing.

In high school I had a friend who had grocery sacks full of Confederate money in the trunk of his car. His family were saving it, just in case, but had no other place to store it all.
 
Not all wells have the same type of pumps. There are above ground and submergeable pumps. The above ground pumps do not have wiring going down the well. These are usually used in shallower wells.
 
I was in the water biz for almost 30 years. Please keep in mind that all water is wet....but NOT necessarily safe. Many states just test for coliform and nitrates and that does not mean the water is safe either. Over my career I've found things like arsenic and radium in well water that people had been unknowingly drinking for quite awhile and felt pretty bad when they found out. Try to find a good testing lab that tests for a broad range of impurities...at least 100 items would be my suggestion and if you or your family intend to consume it, look seriously at either a reverse osmosis system or a distiller.
Best Wishes
 
......Only "recent" wells have had electric pumps at the bottom.......

Depends on what you are calling "recent", 40 years????....we have been using deep submerged pumps in this area since the mid to late 70's. In the early 80's one local driller started using 4" PVC plastic for the well casing and everybody laughed at him. Now they are all PVC around here. Prior to that the casings were iron.

Not all wells have the same type of pumps. There are above ground and submergeable pumps. The above ground pumps do not have wiring going down the well. These are usually used in shallower wells.

Yes sir, but shouldn't/wouldn't he still be able to see the water line going down in the well???? Many areas are still using what we call shallow or dug or sometimes even referred to as a "water table" well. That's kinda why I ask where this thing was located. Dug wells have been outlawed here since the early 80's...they wont even allow our Amish population to have them now.

I was in the water biz for almost 30 years. Please keep in mind that all water is wet....but NOT necessarily safe. Many states just test for coliform and nitrates and that does not mean the water is safe either. Over my career I've found things like arsenic.......

Yes sir, and that arsenic is the reason they outlawed water table wells around these parts. Even those drilled into the first aquifer here have tested positive for too high of a level of arsenic.
 
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Depends on what you are calling "recent", 40 years????....we have been using deep submerged pumps in this area since the mid to late 70's. In the early 80's one local driller started using 4" PVC plastic for the well casing and everybody laughed at him. Now they are all PVC around here. Prior to that the casings were iron...
Since they stopped using riveted casing pipes. 40 years ago (1977) is like yesterday in the world of wells and pumps.
 
Whether opening the well is practical or not, I am really curious about what he finds. This is a lot like digging up old outhouse pits!

Kevin
 

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