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OOPS I accidently mixed powders

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You have a mix of spherical double base and extruded single base powders of significantly different burn rates. It's best as fertilizer and safer than being an explosive 6” in front of your face.
 
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I have done it, I'll bet most everyone that reloads has. Like everyone said it is best to toss it and move on
 
My math says H380 half full bottle was a 1 pounder, and your "a bit" must have been 1 pound of Benchmark. Good luck getting 1.5 pounds of powder into a 1 pound bottle.
Interesting comment. I have had a number of 1# lots of Varget that only filled the bottle half full. Had to weigh them to make sure I wasn't getting shorted at first. Have easily fit 1-1/2# in a 1# bottle many times.
 
Burn it..
The Manufacture of Smokeless Powders and their
Forensic Analysis: A Brief Review

Robert M. Heramb

Graduate Student

Bruce R. McCord
Associate Professor of Analytical and Forensic Chemistry
Department of Chemistry
Ohio University
Athens, Ohio



Introduction

Smokeless powders are a class of propellants that were developed in the late 19th century to replace black powder. The term smokeless refers to the minimal residue left in the gun barrel following the use of smokeless powder. In forensic analysis, smokeless powders are often encountered as organic gunshot residue or as the explosive charge in improvised explosive devices.

All smokeless powders can be placed into one of three different classes according to the chemical composition of their primary energetic ingredients. A single-base powder contains nitrocellulose, whereas a double-base powder contains nitrocellulose and nitroglycerine. The energetic ingredients in triple-base powders are nitrocellulose, nitroglycerine, and nitroguanidine, but because triple-base powders are primarily used in large caliber munitions, they are difficult to obtain on the open market.



Composition and Manufacturing

The major classes of compounds in smokeless propellants include energetics, stabilizers, plasticizers, flash suppressants, deterrents, opacifiers, and dyes (Bender 1998; Radford Army Ammunition Plant 1987).

  • Energetics facilitate the explosion. The base charge is nitrocellulose, a polymer that gives body to the powder and allows extrudability. The addition of nitroglycerine softens the propellant, raises the energy content, and reduces hygroscopicity. Adding nitroguanidine reduces flame temperature, embrittles the mixture at high concentration, and improves energy-flame temperature relationship.


  • Stabilizers prevent the nitrocellulose and nitroglycerine from decomposing by neutralizing nitric and nitrous acids that are produced during decomposition. If the acids are not neutralized, they can catalyze further decomposition. Some of the more common stabilizers used to extend the safe life of the energetics are diphenylamine, methyl centralite, and ethyl centralite.


  • Plasticizers reduce the need for volatile solvents necessary to colloid nitrocellulose, soften the propellant, and reduce hygroscopicity. Examples of plasticizers include nitroglycerine, dibutyl phthalate, dinitrotoluene, ethyl centralite, and triacetin.


  • Flash suppressants interrupt free-radical chain reaction in muzzle gases and work against secondary flash. They are typically alkali or alkaline earth salts that either are contained in the formulation of the propellant or exist as separate granules.


  • Deterrents coat the exterior of the propellant granules to reduce the initial burning rate on the surface as well as to reduce initial flame temperature and ignitability. The coating also broadens the pressure peak and increases efficiency. Deterrents may be a penetrating type such as Herkoteâ, dibutyl phthalate, dinitrotoluene, ethyl centralite, methyl centralite, or dioctyl phthalate; or an inhibitor type such as Vinsolâ resin.


  • Opacifiers enhance reproducibility primarily in large grains and keep radiant heat from penetrating the surface. They may also enhance the burning rate. The most common opacifier is carbon black.

  • Dyes are added mainly for identification purposes.


  • Other ingredients may be one of the following:
    • A graphite glaze used to coat the powder to improve flow and packing density as well as to reduce static sensitivity and increase conductivity


    • Bore erosion coatings applied as a glaze to reduce heat transfer to the barrel, but uncommon in small-arms propellants


    • Ignition aid coatings that are most commonly used in ball powders to improve surface oxygen balance
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Figure 1- Common smokeless powder morphologies
Chemical composition is one important characteristic defining smokeless propellants; however, another important characteristic is its morphology. Shape and size have a profound effect on the burning rate and power generation of a powder (Meyer 1987). Common particle shapes of smokeless propellants include balls, discs, perforated discs, tubes, perforated tubes, and aggregates (Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms 1994; Selavka et al. 1989). A few common types of smokeless powder morphologies can be seen in Figure 1 (Bender 1998).

Morphology also lends clues to whether a powder is single- or double-base (Bender 1998). Most tube and cylindrical powders are single-base, with the exception of the Hercules Reloaderâseries. Disc powders, ball powders, and aggregates are double-base, with the exceptions being the PB and SR series powders manufactured by IMR Powder Company of Plattsburg, New York.

Except for ball powder, smokeless powder is manufactured by one of two general methods, differing in whether organic solvents are used in the process (Meyer 1987; Radford Army Ammunition Plant 1987). A single-base powder typically incorporates the use of organic solvents. Nitrocellulose of high- and low-nitrogen content are combined with volatile organic solvents, desired additives are blended with them, and the resulting mixture is shaped by extrusion and cut into specified lengths. The granules are screened to ensure consistency, and the solvents are removed. Various coatings, such as deterrents and graphite, are applied to the surface of the granules. The powder is dried and screened again, then blended to achieve homogeneity.

The manufacture of double-base powders requires the addition of nitroglycerine to the nitrocellulose. Two methods can be used. One method uses organic solvents, the other uses water. The organic solvent method mixes nitrocellulose and nitroglycerine with solvents and any desired additives to form a doughy mixture (Meyer 1987; National Research Council 1998; Radford Army Ammunition Plant 1987). The mixture is then pressed into blocks that can be fed into the extrusion press and cutting machine. The resulting granules are screened prior to solvent removal and the application of various coatings. The powder is dried, screened again, then blended to achieve homogeneity. The water method adds the nitroglycerine to a nitrocellulose water suspension to form a paste (Meyer 1987; Radford Army Ammunition Plant 1987). The water is removed by evaporation on hot rollers, then the dried powder is shaped by extrusion and cutting.

Triple-base powders use a solvent-based process similar to the double-base powder process (Meyer 1987; Radford Army Ammunition Plant 1987). Nitrocellulose and nitroglycerine are premixed with additives prior to the addition of a nitroguanidine solvent mixture. The nitroguanidine is incorporated into the overall mass without dissolving in the other materials. The final mixture is then extruded, cut, and dried.

The manufacture of smokeless ball powder requires a more specialized procedure (National Research Council 1998). Nitrocellulose, stabilizers, and solvents are blended into a dough, then extruded through a pelletizing plate and formed into spheres. The solvent is removed from the granules, and nitroglycerine is impregnated into the granules. The spheres are then coated with deterrents and flattened with rollers. Finally, an additional coating with graphite and flash suppressants is applied, and the batch is mixed to ensure homogeneity.

In the manufacturing process, smokeless powders are recycled and reworked (National Research Council 1998). When a powder within a batch is found to be unsatisfactory, it is removed and returned to the process for use in another lot. Manufacturers save money by recycling returns by distributors or the return of surplus or obsolete military powders. Hence, reworking and recycling the material assures good quality control of the final product, reduces costs by reusing materials, and reduces pollution by avoiding destruction by burning.
 
Had a brain cramp and mixed shot and Clays together. Used a form of gold panning to separate them.
+1 me too
but i'm used to getting the birdshot out of black sands anyway so just more dry pannng practice

to the original poster if its wet enough out to not spread
you can do "pyro art " on parchment paper with smokeless

best to just spread it thin on the lawn away from the garden
 
I had a bit of Benchmark left and wanted to move into a full bottle. I accidentally poured it into a H380 half full bottle,. I guess I'll be dumping 1 1/2 lbs of powder. Can't imagine I can salvage this.
Dump it in the garden. Will make the roses happy. Just my two cents Tommy Mc
 
Ive found it to be a lousy fertilizer. I had most of a case of GIH322 go bad and spread about 8 or 9 # on the lawn. There was no appreciable change in color or growth. Nitrogen typically gives grasses aan increase in teen color. Easily seen in spring when wheat and rye and barley are fertilized. Easy to see where they miss.
You can screen small ball powder out of extruded due to the large difference in grain sizes. Just check out the cooking strainers for a size that will pass the 380(small grains). but not pass the extruded. A caveat however is that the spherical powders are doubles based and the nitro will slowly leach out of the spherical into the single cased. Thats one of the reasons your powder measure reservoir gets a color change when you forget to empty it. Do it soon sift it out, do a visual exam with a magnifier to verify you have good separation. Other wise scatter it , don't drop cigarette buts and chalk it up to the tuition of the school of painful consequences.

sorry about the bold type-still don't know this new computer.
 
I'll never take a substance that is designed to blow up, and use it for any other purpose.

My God, what are you people, a bunch of grown ups!!?? jd:p
 
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