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One way to stop fires where you live

So, let me get this straight. We shouldn't build a house in a "fire zone"? WTF? That would eliminate nearly every acre of land but in the cities. I ain't livin in no f'n city! How about people just use some common sense and clear/trim the land around their home to make it fire safe?
 
So, let me get this straight. We shouldn't build a house in a "fire zone"? WTF? That would eliminate nearly every acre of land but in the cities. I ain't livin in no f'n city! How about people just use some common sense and clear/trim the land around their home to make it fire safe?
In Placer County you cant even cut down an oak over 6” in diameter without applying for a permit and paying a tax on it. Way too much government over reach!
 
So, let me get this straight. We shouldn't build a house in a "fire zone"? WTF? That would eliminate nearly every acre of land but in the cities. I ain't livin in no f'n city! How about people just use some common sense and clear/trim the land around their home to make it fire safe?
Building in a fire zone is a toss of the dice with half a million or more on the table. I live in a rural area and the only fires around here are caused by something going wrong on the owners property or lightening strikes and such. Fire zones almost always have a history of raging fires. Why would I invest my lifelong savings in an area that has the fire department at my door ever year trying to save my neighborhood.
 
It is good to hear that there are places in our nation that do plan ahead to prevent fires, that is how it should be. I won't go into the problems in California since they speak for themselves. We all know the definition of insanity and California is the perfect example of it at this time. It's not just the government there, but the citizens as well who have let this happen to what was a wonderful place to grow up in the late 40's-50's and 60's.

The subject here is what we as citizens of where we live can do to keep this from happening to us, if your area is on top of this that's great, if it isn't then you can change that as a group, or you can use California as an example of whats going to happen in your area too. I will share with you that paying a tree crew by the cut is just a sweetheart contract for the contractor, not for you. The job is to remove the trees that are or will create a problem And clean up the mess before the crew leaves the area. If nothing else just chip the mess and you have ground cover in that spot.

For those that still don't get it, all trees are just a crop like any other crop or garden, it you don't take care of them you will lose them and maybe everything around them and you. Trees aren't to be worshiped, ... they were put here for us to use, they grow back.
 
In my previous post I said there's many things you can do to help yourself to keep your property safer , if you get up and do them.... But it takes the county stepping in also , around here the county will shred the undergrowth as part of their service on your property if it's thick enough etc.... This is the 3rd year they have been doing it strictly to help with fire.... After the most destructive fire in Texas history here they have learned what it takes to get in front of this stuff.... Unfortunately many property owners who's places didn't burn think it doesn't effect them and have left their places over grown so thick the fire department can't even walk through it to find a fire.

Down the road last year the local volunteer F/D responded to a fire call down the road from me were it didn't burn , and it was still so thick they couldn't walk around or even worse they couldn't get their fire trucks on property because the drive way was to small etc.... This is the kind of thing there's no excuse for when you have seen 35,000 acres and 1700 structures burned a few years ago and the fire was stopped 100 yards or less from your place... There's the guy by my neighbors , the fire was stopped 3 feet from his property by air bombing.. Has he cleared it..? HELL no he hasn't because people think it won't effect them... How stupid is that..? Because they refuse to do anything it puts the rest of us in danger again... That's people though , it will happen again one day and when it does and their places burn down the crying will start but you had 8 years to prepare and didn't do anything... Good luck... I wish that on nobody....
 
Building in a fire zone is a toss of the dice with half a million or more on the table. I live in a rural area and the only fires around here are caused by something going wrong on the owners property or lightening strikes and such. Fire zones almost always have a history of raging fires. Why would I invest my lifelong savings in an area that has the fire department at my door ever year trying to save my neighborhood.
Most of the homes were built in "fire zones" way before Kalifornia became the mess it is today. I think you base your opinion by what you see on the news, not reality. I'm old enough to remember when California was a great place to live and we were the envy of the nation. The commie democraps have run this state into the ground and there isn't a damn thing "normal" people can do about it. There's probably a lot more conservatives here than in most states - there just ain't enough. I know, I know, most people say to vote with your feet. Not so easy for some of us. The State of Jefferson would pretty much fix things, but not happening.
 
So, let me get this straight. We shouldn't build a house in a "fire zone"? WTF? That would eliminate nearly every acre of land but in the cities. I ain't livin in no f'n city! How about people just use some common sense and clear/trim the land around their home to make it fire safe?

I don't care where you build your house. Just don't ask ME to pay for it when it burns down, blows away, is shaken to pieces, or is underwater. Real simple.
 
OK, so from what I read here, after we push California into the ocean because of the fires, and what it's costing everyone in the country for one reason or another, what next.

East coast, push into the ocean because of Hurricanes?
Might as well add Texas to that.
Mid west, north east push into Canada because of the snow and ice storms?
Where do we push the people living along the Mississippi and Missouri rivers, they appear to flood every year.
Almost forgot Hawaii, let's just sink it because of the tropical storms and lava flows.

Makes me wonder how much of my tax dollar and insurance go to rebuilding other parts of the country.

Yea, California, it's the problem for certain.

I hate it here but WTF ?
 
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Unless they pick up the slash, cutting just adds more fuel. To control wild fire you must remove/reduce the fuel load by fire, by hand or machine.
 
Unless they pick up the slash, cutting just adds more fuel. To control wild fire you must remove/reduce the fuel load by fire, by hand or machine.
That's a good point. Many places in Kalifornia require you to chip all of the slash. It's extremely expensive and most people can't afford it. It's crazy to think that fires can be political, but they can be.
 
The worst and deadliest California fires were caused by TRANSMISSION line failures. The BIG ones over a hundred feet up in the air. These utilities have right of way and are mostly cleared. Lot's of $$. It is impossible to scrape the land to bare earth and rock. It would recover with next rain in weeds and grass. And it dries out every single season. And every single season we have dry, de-humidifying drying winds when the high pressure systems sweep through. Most of the state is a seasonal tinderbox swept by drying winds for days at a time. The TRANSMISSION line failures can be fairly and squarely blamed on the utility and lack or deferred maintenance. That temporarily saves them money. For-profit utility and constricting environmental constraints. Just wanted to clear up some of the non-sense and ranting in this thread. The TRANSMISSION lines cannot run underground . . . . . To put the Northern half of the State on local co-ops would be nice, but your bills would be staggering for a decade to pay for it.
 
Agree, add the environmentalist, animal rights activist and stubborn land owners that resist the necessary trimming of any power lines, and you can see how it complicates the task. I don't think we do controlled burns here any more either, least I have not seen any around here in years.
 
An editorial, worth reading


California, the Picture and Prime Example of Socialist-Capitalism

The entire country has watched, as large areas of California lost electricity. Once again, the Santa Anas blew, necessitating the black-out. What does the one thing have to do with other you might ask—the connecting factor is Socialist-Stakeholder-Capitalism.

Pay attention America, for this is what the left of the Democratic Party has in store for you. Allysia Finlay opines in the Wall Street Journal Tuesday, October 22, 2019 that PG&E, the perfect corporate socialistically imbued citizen, is lambasted by Gov. Gavin Newsom and other Democrats for shutting off power. Why the shut-off? The blackouts are put in place to avoid more electrical fires, for an aging electrical grid has not been properly maintained. Why not, you might rightly ask? Here is Finlay’s analysis.

“PG&E exemplifies the left’s “stakeholder” model according to which businesses are accountable not only to their shareholders but also their workers, the environment and local communities, and society at large. In practice that means to serve their political overlords.”

That model flies in the face of capitalist business law, which predicates that business has two functions. One obligation is to create wealth. The second obligation is to create profit for their shareholders. In order to keep being a high wealth producer, all aspects of the business must be maintained at top functionality and productivity, requiring large amounts of investment. So, when PG&G became one of the most heavily regulated businesses in California—its profits are set by the California Public Utilities Commission and the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission—it became poor.

Every three years the utility must submit funding plans to the CPUC that are then analyzed during public hearings with “stakeholders” that are composed of customers, environmentalists and other activist Groups. At this point one must ask what stake, other than controlling the utility, do these activists and customers have in the business? Being a shareholder in business parlance means you have invested something of value into the business entity. PG&E receives nothing of value from its new “stakeholders” but constant pressure on how to run the business. Thus, state law requires utilities to obtain 60% of their power from “renewable sources by 2030.” Furthermore, the commission has ordered the utilities to buy energy from homeowners with solar panels. They must pay them a higher rate than wholesale power providers get.

The utility has not kept detailed records on the age or condition of its transmission towers and wires, but, notes Findlay, “it knows that 1.2% of its workforce is American Indian and 0.6% Native Hawaiian or Pacific Islanders.” These are a few statistics PG&E records well. The utility was forced to install 7500 electric car changing stations at apartment buildings and work places, it donates hundreds of thousands of dollars to liberal advocacy groups such as Black Women Organized for Political Action, for the LGBTQ Victory Fund and the labor-affiliated group “Building and Protecting a Strong California,” and of course, in 2018 it contributed $208,000 to Gov. Newsom’s campaign.

What is the result of such societal largess? In January PG&E filed for chapter 11 bankruptcy, for it needed to restructure tens of billions of dollars in liabilities. In the end, the consumers will pay much, much more for their electricity. Findlay believes that consumers might turn against the state’s climate goals when they find out how the high price is for green energy mandates, and social programs.

We all owe a debt to Ms. Allysia Finlay for her in-depth Research.
 
An editorial, worth reading


California, the Picture and Prime Example of Socialist-Capitalism

The entire country has watched, as large areas of California lost electricity. Once again, the Santa Anas blew, necessitating the black-out. What does the one thing have to do with other you might ask—the connecting factor is Socialist-Stakeholder-Capitalism.

Pay attention America, for this is what the left of the Democratic Party has in store for you. Allysia Finlay opines in the Wall Street Journal Tuesday, October 22, 2019 that PG&E, the perfect corporate socialistically imbued citizen, is lambasted by Gov. Gavin Newsom and other Democrats for shutting off power. Why the shut-off? The blackouts are put in place to avoid more electrical fires, for an aging electrical grid has not been properly maintained. Why not, you might rightly ask? Here is Finlay’s analysis.

“PG&E exemplifies the left’s “stakeholder” model according to which businesses are accountable not only to their shareholders but also their workers, the environment and local communities, and society at large. In practice that means to serve their political overlords.”

That model flies in the face of capitalist business law, which predicates that business has two functions. One obligation is to create wealth. The second obligation is to create profit for their shareholders. In order to keep being a high wealth producer, all aspects of the business must be maintained at top functionality and productivity, requiring large amounts of investment. So, when PG&G became one of the most heavily regulated businesses in California—its profits are set by the California Public Utilities Commission and the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission—it became poor.

Every three years the utility must submit funding plans to the CPUC that are then analyzed during public hearings with “stakeholders” that are composed of customers, environmentalists and other activist Groups. At this point one must ask what stake, other than controlling the utility, do these activists and customers have in the business? Being a shareholder in business parlance means you have invested something of value into the business entity. PG&E receives nothing of value from its new “stakeholders” but constant pressure on how to run the business. Thus, state law requires utilities to obtain 60% of their power from “renewable sources by 2030.” Furthermore, the commission has ordered the utilities to buy energy from homeowners with solar panels. They must pay them a higher rate than wholesale power providers get.

The utility has not kept detailed records on the age or condition of its transmission towers and wires, but, notes Findlay, “it knows that 1.2% of its workforce is American Indian and 0.6% Native Hawaiian or Pacific Islanders.” These are a few statistics PG&E records well. The utility was forced to install 7500 electric car changing stations at apartment buildings and work places, it donates hundreds of thousands of dollars to liberal advocacy groups such as Black Women Organized for Political Action, for the LGBTQ Victory Fund and the labor-affiliated group “Building and Protecting a Strong California,” and of course, in 2018 it contributed $208,000 to Gov. Newsom’s campaign.

What is the result of such societal largess? In January PG&E filed for chapter 11 bankruptcy, for it needed to restructure tens of billions of dollars in liabilities. In the end, the consumers will pay much, much more for their electricity. Findlay believes that consumers might turn against the state’s climate goals when they find out how the high price is for green energy mandates, and social programs.

We all owe a debt to Ms. Allysia Finlay for her in-depth Research.
Regulated monopolies like PG&E in California have many masters courtesy of the politicians. Delivering power reliably at a reasonable cost is one of many goals now instead of their primary objective. To many the delivering power is secondary to their social desires which get transferred with politicians help to the utility .....

In our city in Northern Utah, the electrical utility is run by the city...... and that has its own challenges.
 

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