One scope for PRS and F-Class?

[drbobinmo]

I know the best scopes for F-class are SFP and high power in MOA and for PRS is FFP moderate power with holdover reticle etc in MRAD but for the guy that wants one to do both decently is there a popular choice to look at?

I built a PRS rifle with a Razor HD Gen 2 but have been having a lot of interest in F-class lately. Until I finally build a dedicated rig for that I’m willing to sell the Razor to get a new scope that will serve both styles for the next year or two.

I’d love to see the new ZCO 840 coming out but very expensive. Was maybe thinking the Trijicon Tenmile 5-50??

 

[Ranger007]

I know the best scopes for F-class are SFP and high power in MOA and for PRS is FFP moderate power with holdover reticle etc in MRAD but for the guy that wants one to do both decently is there a popular choice to look at?

I built a PRS rifle with a Razor HD Gen 2 but have been having a lot of interest in F-class lately. Until I finally build a dedicated rig for that I’m willing to sell the Razor to get a new scope that will serve both styles for the next year or two.

I’d love to see the new ZCO 840 coming out but very expensive. Was maybe thinking the Trijicon Tenmile 5-50??

Whats your budget?

 

[drbobinmo]

Like to keep it no more than $2500

 

[Ranger007]

My best advice is take your time. Look through as many as you can. Take note what you like and what you do not like. When you have looked through enough of them you will form your own opinion what you like and what you do not like.

Point is what’s good for my eyes or someone else’s eyes may not be so hot with yours. In your budget you have a good number of them to explore. Best of luck in your adventure.

 

[MikeMcCasland]

It's going to be almost impossible to buy a scope that would be "competitive" in both disciplines.

FFP would be critical to success in PRS, and its usually a hindrance in F-Class cranked up to full power.
I don't think it matters much if you use Mil/.25 MOA in PRS, but in F-Class you really want 1/8th MOA.
For PRS you're probably at 4x-25x most of the time, but in F-Class you're usually at 45x+ most of the time.

I can't think of a scope (not taking into account price) that would check all the boxes for me.

Edit: I actually shot a 500 yard F-Class match with a PRS rifle this past weekend (Razor Gen2 on top). I cleaned it one relay, but I definitely dropped points because it's hard to get accurate ring-holds when you can hardly even make out the X-ring on full power

My F-Class rifles have NF comps on top of them, and there is a HUGE difference between the two scopes when shooting a match.

I'd keep your razor and just save up for an F-Class scope vs. trying to get something that will 'get by' for both.

 

[Beiruty]

I have a 8-40X FFP Burris XTR-2. MOA 1/8 MOA clicks. There are better options today.
Here is a new one from Sightron, it was $800 off on sale

SVIII 5-40x56 ED FFPIR Zero Stop

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[CA_Shooter]

It's going to be almost impossible to buy a scope that would be "competitive" in both disciplines.

FFP would be critical to success in PRS, and its usually a hindrance in F-Class cranked up to full power.
I don't think it matters much if you use Mil/.25 MOA in PRS, but in F-Class you really want 1/8th MOA.
For PRS you're probably at 4x-25x most of the time, but in F-Class you're usually at 45x+ most of the time.

I can't think of a scope (not taking into account price) that would check all the boxes for me.

Edit: I actually shot a 500 yard F-Class match with a PRS rifle this past weekend (Razor Gen2 on top). I cleaned it one relay, but I definitely dropped points because it's hard to get accurate ring-holds when you can hardly even make out the X-ring on full power

My F-Class rifles have NF comps on top of them, and there is a HUGE difference between the two scopes when shooting a match.

I'd keep your razor and just save up for an F-Class scope vs. trying to get something that will 'get by' for both.

Why the 1/8 MOA vs Mil?

 

[drbobinmo]

Why the 1/8 MOA vs Mil?

From what I’ve been reading, not as important solo shooting but when on a team it’s best to have MOA in F-class since most everyone is using MOA. Much easier to talk to a team mate for hold corrections when everyone is talking the same units of measure

 

[NZ_Fclass]

1/8 v .1Mil = 1/8 MoA versus 1/3 MoA . Close as dammit. 1cm @ 100 Metres, roughly 1/3 MoA
I don't mind 1st FFP scopes - but my brain does not think in Mils. (old dog, new tricks). Im unaware whether electronic F-Class targets will display bullet strikes in Mils.

 

[marchx]

I know the best scopes for F-class are SFP and high power in MOA and for PRS is FFP moderate power with holdover reticle etc in MRAD but for the guy that wants one to do both decently is there a popular choice to look at?

I built a PRS rifle with a Razor HD Gen 2 but have been having a lot of interest in F-class lately. Until I finally build a dedicated rig for that I’m willing to sell the Razor to get a new scope that will serve both styles for the next year or two.

I’d love to see the new ZCO 840 coming out but very expensive. Was maybe thinking the Trijicon Tenmile 5-50??

You need at least x50 magnification for F-class. Below my suggestions:

Sightron

SV 10-50x60 ED

Built for precision target shooting applications up to and exceeding 1000 yards. The Sightron SV 10-50x60 Long Range rifle scope with with ED glass delivers superior optics and accuracy when it counts.

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SIII Precision Long Range10-50x60 Zero Stop

Built for precision long range target shooting up to and exceeding 1000 yards. Sightron's SIII PLR 10-50x60 Long Range rifle scope with Zero-stop delivers superior optics and accuracy when it counts.

sightron.com

Delta Stryker

Delta Optical Stryker HD 5-50x56 SFP

Delta Optical Stryker HD 5-50x56 SFP

www.optics-trade.eu

Vortex GE

Golden Eagle HD 15-60x52

Please Select Reticle | 30mm Tube

vortexoptics.com

 

[6bra1k]

use 2 scopes, mounted in rings and swap as needed.
just save your bucks till you can afford the second one
all else will be pure compromise...in your shooting

 

[Turbulent Turtle]

If you are really intent on one scope for PRS and F-Class, I would suggest strongly that you want an FFP with as high a top end magnification as possible. The March-FX 5-40X56 is one that I have looked through at an F-Class match. It has ED glass, of course, but it's not the Super ED of the March-X 10-60X56 HM or the Genesis models or the March-FX 5-42X56 HM.

Actually, that last one is very interesting for a dual-purpose riflescope, but at $4500, it's way out of your budget. One of the features I like about it is the wide-angle eyepiece. It is available in Mil or MOA (0.1Mil/0.25MOA).

The March-FX 5-40X56 Gen II is available in Mil or MOA and either in 0.1Mil or 0.05Mil and 1/4 or 1/8 MOA.

This scope is much closer to your budget. The reticle is fine enough at 40X to place the dot, but it's still bigger than the dot in my March-X 10-60X56 HM, which I run at 50X all the time.

 

[drbobinmo]

Thanks for all the replies. I was kind of expecting what was said there but was hoping for a candidate to look at to use for both but looks like I will be buying a second scope.

 

[Woofie]

Thanks @marchx for recommending the Delta Stryker HD 5-50. If anyone wants one they can buy here in the US from a site supporter (me -- stocking Delta importer/dealer) rather than importing from Europe themselves.

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All that said, my personal recommendation would be to show up to a local 600 yard F-class match or practice and have at it with what you have. Unless you have a fragile ego you'll find it a pleasant experience, most F-class shooters are a friendly bunch. Plus, you may get a better idea of what your needs versus wants are.
I agree with all the MOA versus MIL comments for F-class but honestly, just to get some rounds downrange you just need to hold the waterline. If "waterline" is an alien term, this video is about as good as it gets conceptually:

Best of luck with your F-class endeavors

 

[ballisticdaddy]

I do agree with most of the comments in this thread but if I had to do both with only one optic, it would be the NF ATACR 7-35 F1. I have a Razor Gen 2 and when zoomed in to 27X the reticle is very course but at 35X in my ATACR the reticle is quite a bit finer. These can be found used for just under 3K and believe they are a great all around optic.

 

[Rob01]

I do agree with most of the comments in this thread but if I had to do both with only one optic, it would be the NF ATACR 7-35 F1. I have a Razor Gen 2 and when zoomed in to 27X the reticle is very course but at 35X in my ATACR the reticle is quite a bit finer. These can be found used for just under 3K and believe they are a great all around optic.

Which reticle?

OP the Vortex Razor III 6-36 would be worth a look also if doing a one scope for all.

 

[ballisticdaddy]

On the Razor Gen 2 it's the EBR-2C and on the ATACR it's the Mil-R. At max (27X) the EBR-2C reticle is much thicker than the Mil-R at 35X which surprised me when looking through them side by side.

 

[Rob01]

On the Razor Gen 2 it's the EBR-2C and on the ATACR it's the Mil-R. At max (27X) the EBR-2C reticle is much thicker than the Mil-R at 35X which surprised me when looking through them side by side.

Hmm that's odd as the 2C reticle is .03 mils wide and the Mil-R is .036 in the 25x F1s and they don't show a measurement for the 35x on the NF site so maybe they went slimmer but I wouldn't expect finer than .025 mils as more than that and it would be very hard to see. .03 mils is about 1.1" at 1000 yards so would think either would be fine enough. Both being FFP it wouldn't make a difference as to power as they cover the same amount of target at any power.

 

[drbobinmo]

Yes I have been eyeing those too. The club I will hopefully belong to soon does 600 yard F-class matches and that’s where I will start.
If I really enjoy it and branch out to other further matches I will by then know what dedicated rig I will want to build.
But that Atacr would definitely allow me to shoot both at first as will the new Gen 3 Razor coming out soon.

I could also work some OT and really upgrade to the new ZCO 840 being released soon. That would really be sweet!

 

[Rob01]

Yes I have been eyeing those too. The club I will hopefully belong to soon does 600 yard F-class matches and that’s where I will start.
If I really enjoy it and branch out to other further matches I will by then know what dedicated rig I will want to build.
But that Atacr would definitely allow me to shoot both at first as will the new Gen 3 Razor coming out soon.

I could also work some OT and really upgrade to the new ZCO 840 being released soon. That would really be sweet!

The Razor III is out. They are selling fast too. I think Euro Optics sold out already. My buddy bought two. LOL