NRA Seeks Host For 2016 & 2017 F-Class Nationals

[Va Jim]

OK, let me ask this question. Is anyone in favor of keeping the Fclass MR Nationals at 300/500/600? I know our local club 300 yd targets are shot out, heck our 600 yd targets are shot out.

The NRA is listening folks, we just need to be decisive and tell them what WE want. Might not happen overnight but they are listening.

James Crofts
USA F-T/R Vice Captain

 

[Ian]

Include mine as annother vote for MR Nationals at 600yds only.

 

[Immike]

All 600 makes the most sense considering everything.

 

[Medic505]

If I had a vote I would say 600 yards for MR. I threw out the 3, 5 and 600 - 8 ,9 and 1000 thing out there as a discussion topic. I expected a few here to get their panties in a wad over that and guess what, it worked. I probably owe and apology to David for associating his name with that thought but hey, I believe in giving credit where credit is due. To whom ever the rocket scientist was that boldly stated "sounds like someone from some other discipline is trying to tell us what a F-Class match should look like" maybe you should do a little research about where F-Class came from. As much as I dislike all the moving associated with Palma, it's still a fun game. And to those that think it's a cake walk, well maybe you should give it a shot. It's not as easy as it looks. I agree that the logistics of moving firing lines during a National Championship is a headache that few want to deal with. Truth be know, I would rather shoot all of it from a fixed point and be done with it. I just don't want US to lose sight of what F-Class really is.

 

[Erik Cortina]

...I would rather shoot all of it from a fixed point and be done with it.

I'm with you on this. Pit changes are also faster and it's not so hard on the older shooters because they don't have to move their equipment after each string.

 

[Warren Dean]

I'm also in favor of just 600.

Torn up targets and chewed up lines are a pain to deal with, which is what you get at midrange, so just eliminate 2/3 of the aggravation.

Also, changing yard lines multiple times with lots of people makes for a long day.

 

[Mark Walker in TX]

So, I have spoken with some knowledgeable people about how one goes about actually requesting a COF change from the NRA.

What they have suggested is this, one needs to write letters (yes, actual letters and sent through the mail) to the NRA High Power Committee formally requesting a change.

Not only should you request the change for the COF only to be at 600 yards, you also need to make a recommendation regarding a new, complete, COF. For example:

Day 1 = squadded practice
Day 2 = 3 x 20 @ 600 yards (individual)
Day 3 = 3 x 20 @ 600 yards (individual)
Day 4 = 2 x 20 @ 600 yards (each shooter 4 man team match)
Day 5 = 2 x 20 @ 600 yards (individual)

Format look familiar? (It will to anyone who has recently shot the LRFCNC…)

Will it be my recommendation, yes, but it does not have to be yours!

IF you want to see a change, get to writing letters is my suggestion. If you are happy with status quo and don't want to see changes, get to writing letters is my suggestion.

 

[Medic505]

Mark,
What is the address to send our recommendation to?

 

[Mark Walker in TX]

Mark,
What is the address to send our recommendation to?

I'm going to send my three letter to the address listed in the first post of this thread (copied below). One to Mr. Dennis Willing, one to Mrs. Sheri Judd, and one to Mr. John Sigler.

Dennis Willing, Director
Competitions Division
National Rifle Association of America
11250 Waples Mill Road
Fairfax, VA 22030

 

[Mark Walker in TX]

I told you...

To quote one of my favorite lines from a movie -

"Ok, listen up, let's just stay cool people. Let's work the problem, let's not make things worse…" - Mr. Gene Kranz during Apollo 13

 

[Medic505]

Thanks Mark,
I got so caught up in all the pissing and moaning I forgot that was there. I'll throw in my 2 cents and I hope all the other competitors that give a hoot about the future of our sport will do the same. The ball is in our court so to speak, lets not blow it.

 

[XTR]

Day 1 = squadded practice
Day 2 = 3 x 20 @ 600 yards (individual)
Day 3 = 3 x 20 @ 600 yards (individual)
Day 4 = 2 x 20 @ 600 yards (each shooter 4 man team match)
Day 5 = 2 x 20 @ 600 yards (individual)

Format look familiar? (It will to anyone who has recently shot the LRFCNC…)

Will it be my recommendation, yes, but it does not have to be yours!

I like the recommendation (and I will send one too) but one thing I'd add is some discussion of the squadding requirement that was listed in the original post and the 3x20 matches on Days 2 and 4. I would concur with that unless attendance and range limitations required squadding of more than 4 relays, in which case you fall back to 3x15 and 6 relays in the manner that it was done at Raton.

I know it is not the first choice, but this is a two yr commitment and by all accounts the sport is growing. I would rather see the COF modified from 3x20 to 3x15 rather than limit attendance assuming the club hosting the event can handle all the other logistics. It may not be a problem in the first yr, but assuming the NRA does agree to disconnect the LR and MR then I can see ranges with 25 targets getting the MRNC in the next few yrs, and I think it may be a mistake to count on slow growth from the 40 or so shooters that appeared at Camp Perry this yr. This could easily blossom to 200 shooters if the location, promotion, and timing lined up.

 

[Turbulent Turtle]

Day 1 = squadded practice
Day 2 = 3 x 20 @ 600 yards (individual)
Day 3 = 3 x 20 @ 600 yards (individual)
Day 4 = 2 x 20 @ 600 yards (each shooter 4 man team match)
Day 5 = 2 x 20 @ 600 yards (individual)

Format look familiar? (It will to anyone who has recently shot the LRFCNC…)

Oh, I don't know. This was my fourth FCNC.

2011 Lodi was 3X15 each and every day and I think the first day was at 600.

2012 and 2013 Raton was 3X15@1000 for the first two days and 2X20@1000 on the last day of individual. I'm sure that's what it was for 2013. I'm not sure of the last day in 2012, but I think it was 2X20 also.

2014 Phoenix was 3X20@1000 for the first two days and 2X20@1000 for the last day.

So, 4 recent FCNC and at least 3 different CoFs.

I like the 3X20 twice and 2X20 at the end. But I'm also in agreement that 3X15 for the first two days is the way to go if we have lots of people and need to go over 4 relays.

What is the cost of stamps these days?

 

[lawman29]

There is a new thread just started by US FTR Teams about proposed rule book changes. The NRA Highpower committee is going to be voting changes on December 16. There is not time to send letters if you want to get the 300 & 500 yardages eliminated from Nationals. Phone calls & emails would seem appropriate at this time...

 

[Va Jim]

Looks like email and phone calls are the only way to get our wishes to the committee before the vote.
nrahighpower@nrahq.org is on that I found on line.

James Crofts
US F-T/R Vice Captain

 

[XTR]

I emailed Dennis Willing directly with questions about board use under bipods before Camp Perry. Maybe his mailbox is another one to send to.

 

[Kakumba]

I emailed Dennis Willing directly with questions about board use under bipods before Camp Perry. Maybe his mailbox is another one to send to.

I dont know about US NRA rules, but the most recent ICFRA rule book cleared things up pretty nicely in that area. No spikes/ levelling on the board, max 12" deep, and max bipod width +2" width

 

[Turbulent Turtle]

It's in the proposed new F-class rules.

 

[falconpilot]

The discussion is now about COF, but what about location?