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Novice needs advice F-tr

I need advice from seasoned competitors. I will be starting to shoot 300 yard F-tr in the next month or so, timing dependent on how much life gets in the way. I use an AR of my own build, normal distance is 200 meters for me now, my range only goes that far. I will be going to another range for 300-600 yard practice. Shooting skills are fine already, hovering around +/- ¼ moa approximately, on a good day. My concerns are regard spotting scope knowledge, on a budget, (not needed at 200 meters), mat preferences, psychology, and whatever else you can throw in that I don't know I don't know about, that is necessary. Reloading advice, gun selection and rifle scope are topics not necessary to discuss. Thanks in advance.
Jim
 
Why do you need spotting scope? Your rifle scope can tell you all you need.Buy a walmart 40$ one for scoring .
 
mattt,I can see holes in black at 200 meters part of the time, in white almost all the time. It is my understanding that the 300 yard targets are black. I suspect that I will have trouble seeing where I hit at 300.
 
If your already shooting +/- 1/4 MOA. You will never lose a match. We need to have you teach us to shoot like you do and to build ARs
 
Jim Casey said:
mattt,I can see holes in black at 200 meters part of the time, in white almost all the time. It is my understanding that the 300 yard targets are black. I suspect that I will have trouble seeing where I hit at 300.

In F-Class they pull your target after every shot and mark it with a white spotter. You do not need a spotting scope to see your hits.

1/4 MOA is outstanding! When LESLEY grows up he wants to be like you! ;D
 
Erick,
Thank you very much, I was/am showing my ignorance, I am truly a novice. I have yet to go to my first match.
Jim
 
LESLEY said:
If your already shooting +/- 1/4 MOA. You will never lose a match. We need to have you teach us to shoot like you do and to build ARs

Shooting is a slow learned thing. Starting with cheap barrels, learning to get the most from them and only then advancing to match grade barrels. Changing the firearm as I see a need or finding a way to improve on past groups. Reloading is a lot of trial and error, mostly error. Either is not beyond anyone on this forum, hell I did it. I personally think that most people try to buy success in the shooting sports (or most endeavors), forgetting about learning the basics first.
 
LESLEY said:
If your already shooting +/- 1/4 MOA. You will never lose a match. We need to have you teach us to shoot like you do and to build ARs
Lesley, I sincerely hope that you are right, but shooting by yourself, with no competition involved is less stressful. I strongly suspect that I will be "taught the ropes" when I do make it to some matches. Winning in the first 15-20 matches would be a fantasy come true.
 
Jim, the best thing you can do right now to prepare yourself is to practice on the less desirable days. Matches don't wait on good weather and you will be forced to deal with poor conditions. I think celestron is making a good spotting scope for the money if you need one for practice and scoring other shooters (B&H photo) A waterproof mat is a good investment, I owned a couple of mats before I bought one. Ge a light color or it will be too hot to lay on during the summer (Champion Shooters Supply) You will need a range bag big enough for everything (midway USA) Good luck and good shooting to you Jim.
 
I shoot a local 300 yd F class match. Started last year with an AR and move to a bolt gun this year. You will need a single shot magazine follower for sure. The pain with shooting and AR is you have to hit the bolt release every time you load a new round. You cannot load up the magazine and shoot because of the rules. You really don't need a spotting scope for scoring. I use a set of binoculars sometimes. Other times I use the spotting scope of my shooting partner. You definitely need a mat. I like the MidwayUSA Pro series mat.

I would definitely try to shoot 300 yds before the competition so you will know your dope. Other than that, have fun and don't be afraid to get out there.
 
Go to the longer range and shoot 300 and 600 under flags. I shoot a .223 out to mid-range and it fares well. Enjoy and have fun. You can do without a spotting scope at 300 yards.
 
If your AR is a .223, develop a good 600 yard load. And practice 600 a few times with a little breeze. 600 with an .223 is not simple but not impossible either. Good luck and have fun.
 
I'll toss this out there for what it is worth...

A spotting scope can save you points even at 300 yards. Focus it halfway to the target and watch the mirage. At this point, you probably don't know what to look for, but you will learn fast.

I know a lot of folks shoot with surveying streamers attached to their targets and tied to various objects along the range while practicing. I would caution that doing so can leave you feeling helpless when the wind starts switching around at a match. Try practicing without them. Learn to see natural wind indicators. Learn how the mirage behaves.

Erik noted about target pullers. They vary as much as anything. You can learn to deal with a slow or fast one by shooting your practice with at least 30 seconds between shots one time and as quickly as you can single load and fire again the next. Both techniques and timings have their places in competition. Sometimes you will be forced to use the one you don't want by the puller or clock. Learn to do both.

Last item, I regularly see new shooters (and the occasional experienced one) turning the scope adjustments the wrong way. Practice moving the point of impact left and right without looking at the knobs. The markings are all well and good until you get a half turn on the windage.
 
Busdriver said:
Last item, I regularly see new shooters (and the occasional experienced one) turning the scope adjustments the wrong way. Practice moving the point of impact left and right without looking at the knobs. The markings are all well and good until you get a half turn on the windage.

This is the best advise I have heard in awhile. More matches are lost to this mistake than anything else. Excellent point Busdriver !!
 
That brings up a good point. I try not dial wind anymore and just hold off,
Unless I have to hold past the dirt. I have dialed the wrong way too many times myself.
Also verify your target number before every shot, cross fires are painful.
Tom
 
First, have fun! F class is a great, simple, discipline, and very rewarding.

Second, your AR is not a 1/4 minute gun, and you are not shooting 1/4 MOA - at least not in the context of F Class. 1/4 MOA wins many benchrest matches. The only way that is possible is if you are cherry picking your best groups, disregarding flyers, etc. In F Class, you have to shoot 20 shots (depending on the course of fire) in a row under 1 MOA to clean the target. That bar is a lot higher than a three shot group. A lot of 1/4 MOA rifles turn out to be 1 1/4 MOA rifles when the shots pile up. The reason I mention this is to keep you from getting discouraged. It's just statistics, not you.

At 300 yards, load up some 80 grain bullets as fast as you can get them while keeping five shot groups (and flyers DO count!) as small as you can - my guess is if you do this honestly, you'll have about a 1 MOA rifle - maybe a little better. But that is still good enough to shoot some good scores at 300. For 600 yards, I stop load development when I find a consistent 1/2 MOA (that is 10 shots in 1/2" at 100 yards every time). I doubt you'll achieve that with an AR, but that shouldn't stop you from trying.

You don't need a spotting scope to get started, but it won't hurt. What you will really want is a bolt gun with the longest barrel you can find and a 36x or higher powered scope. (This is for 600-1000 yards, you can get away with less at 300, which is far more forgiving a range - I know guys who wont shoot at 300 because they think it's "boring". I'm not sure I disagree). One of the nice things about F TR is that the equipment is pretty well defined and the specifics don't matter as much. You don't need a fancy action or an expensive scope. A Remington 700 or Savage with Weaver benchrest scope are more than good enough to win matches if they're set up right (long barrel, good loads, proper bipod, a stock with a level toe, decent trigger, heavy bag).
 

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