Nosler Accubond Long range bullets BC real?

[Grimstod]

Are these new bullets any good? I have tried a box of there hunting bullets before they came out with these and was rather impressed with their accuracy. I am just a little skeptical on their claimed BC on the 30cal bullets. The 210gr is suppose to be .743 G1 and .366 G7 and that seams almost unrealistic. I don't really care to much on how they a pans or retain there weight.

 

[Keith Glasscock]

I look at it this way; Berger spend an significant proportion of its time making the lowest drag bullets possible. That effort yielded the 200 grain and 215 grain hybrids. (.321 and .356 G7). Now Nosler makes a 210 that beats them both by that big of a margin? I'm dubious.

The only way to really wring the truth out of the matter is with doppler radar over a long range. I don't have one though...

 

[Grimstod]

I am with you on that bus driver. I am posting here in hopes that someone here has used it. I know we have lot of hunters here.

 

[wboggs]

I know of one shooter that tried them in 7mm and the drop was greater than predicted by the advertised BC. He went back to Bergers. I have a small supply of .308 190 gr and the measurements are close to the Berger 210 VLD. Overall length is the same, boattail is longer and more angled, bearing surface is less. Have not decided if they are worth the trouble to work up a load. It is unusual the Nosler will not release the measurements to the public, claiming they are in a locked file.
It would be helpful if members would post their experience with them in various calibers. However, the jury is still out. BC is almost too good in the absence of some radical innovation. Berger is up front with their testing and I also find it hard to believe there is some design feature that eludes Brian Litz. He has proven to be a superb designer as well as shooter.
Bill

 

[Keith Glasscock]

I did some research on that subject recently. There has been some pretty solid testing done and posted on other boards. I just can't remember if it was on the hide or longrangehunting.

 

[Gunny81]

I tested the 150 accubond long range from my 284 winchester this past week. I shot it on out to 1000 yards. The hits were not close to where they should've been. I adjusted 8.5 mils. That puts them right at or just above a swift scirocco 150. I can only speak to the 7mm 150's. I haven't and won't try the 168's and 175's. I took the remaining ablr's I had and traded them for 168 berger classic hunters. They're .608 g1 and .309 g7. They land where they're suppose to.

 

[Grimstod]

That pretty disappointing.

 

[joemax]

That is disappointing. Shame on Nosler for not advertising accurate Bc's. It's their loss. I would like to use the ABLR but won't. I'll stick to the Bergers as I'm sure many others will as well since they have accurate Bc numbers. Thumbs up and a big thanks to Brian Litz and Berger for actually measuring their Bc's as opposed to calculating them like Nosler does.

 

[dkhunt14]

They are also overinflating the numbers on the NOSLER 26. It isn't as fast as they say and barrel wear is worse then anything I ever heard of. One guy on Longrange tested it and said 400 rounds and it went away.

 

[wboggs]

dk What is the barrel life on a 6.5-.300WSM and a 6.5-06 AI? Bet they would come very close to the Nosler in velocity.
Bill

 

[dkhunt14]

I saw some 6.5-300 Weatherby barrels have the throat completely gone with 700 rounds. They shot those guns with extremely healthy loads of slow burning ball powders. One guy shot them so hot it torched through the bolt face in a nice round circle just the size of the primer leaking. They were from the school of if I shoot it fast enough the wind can't blow it. Less hang time. Now all the accuracy at long range is coming from The 300 WSM shooting 2800 to 2875 and the Dasher at 2950 to 3050. The big guns they used to shoot in 1000 benchrest have disappeared. The 6.5-300; 7-300 and the 30-378 are used for hunting but not benchrest. Matt

 

[fourpower]

these bullets suck! first of all they will not shoot in my gun and at the same load as bergers they shoot almost 4moa low at 1000 yds. they are now using them on the show best of the west after they used to use bergers and all I see is game running all around before they drop over. also watch the bullet go right through them and skip around on the ground. I wont be watching that show any more. makes a good case for the anti- hunting people!

 

[wboggs]

fourpower Are you saying that comparing equal BC and velocity, they shoot 4 moa lower?
Bill

 

[wyoming .260]

I think what the problem is that Berger actually tests their bullets over long range and comes up with a very close Usable BC rating.... Nosler just puts a number on theirs that is pulled from thin air. I question their BC ratings as soon as I saw a picture of their 129 gr. lrab. Its shorter over all and has a lot longer bearing surface then a 130 gr. berger but they claim a BC of a Smidgen higher............... Must be Magic!!!!!

 

[timbertiger]

The inflated BC's and the claim to have terminal expansion @ 1300 fps is enough reason for me to be skeptical about the true performance of these bullets. Honestly, how thin would a jacket have to be to accomplish this while retaining structural integrity and jacket concentricity needed for real LR accuracy? I was initially intrigued by these bullets, and was going to try them in my 6.5 X .284, but I have yet to hear any really positive feedback on them. So until then, I'll be sticking with Berger's.

-Mike

 

[bigngreen]

The 210 ALR is running very close to the 210 Berger for BC, I don't know of anyone who has shot them long enough to test terminal performance beyond 800 yards because they sucked so bad under that opening way to easy but they may well work down to a very low velocity but since the BC is low that is about the same range were a Berger stops opening anyway so I see no gain in any category.

It's a bullet designed by the same marketing guy that designed the 26 Nosler but by the sounds of it Nosler excels in Marketing!!

 

[Trapper243]

I purchased two boxes in .277 to try. Accuracy was ok, but the bullets had visible creases from the ogive to the plastic tip on probably half the bullets. I took them back to Cabela's, showed them the bullets and they gave me a refund. No way was I going to trust those on game. Never seen a Berger or Sierra with that problem.

 

[jim_k]

Nosler originally said the Accubond had to have terminal velocity of 1800 fps to expand reliably. I think that is why Best of the West has backed off on their distances. Speer and Sierra still make excellent standard spitzer boattail bullets. Good out to 500 yds at least, maybe more. The advantage for me with Bergers is that I can moly-coat and not change the bullet. If you moly a soft-point, it deforms, and I don't trust that to shoot the same as unmolyed. I moly, since you'll ask, so that I don't have to clean while I'm in the field; and yes I do take the stuff to clean with, in case of an incident which gets dirt in the barrel.
Anyway, if you're going to limit shots to 400-500 yards, which is not a bad idea, just pay 25 cents a bullet and go old-school. Guides will tell you that tipped bullets can fail to penetrate, or fail to expand, since they've seen it all. Soft-point is their preferred bullet.
Jim

 

[wboggs]

I was under the impression that the soft point essentially melts off during flight due to the high heat. A high speed photograph will show this.
Bill

 

[M14AMU]

Buddy of mine out Hollister, California way got some of the first produced and his statement was...."The quality control SUCKS!!"