Norwegian competition, unbelievable

[Rust]

I'd love to see competition like this in the states, it's crazy seeing a bolt gun outrun a semi auto.

 

[Grimstod]

Wish I had all night to watch this. Very cool.

 

[jimcasey01]

• To say that I am impressed is a gross understatement.

 

[timeout]

 

[DRNewcomb]

About 11 minutes into the show you can see a shooter using a Krag speed-loader. I bought one of these in Norway and modified it slightly to accommodate .30-40 Government. I've used it shooting my 1898 Kraig at club 100 yard DCM matches. I find it impressive that they use the ring or middle finger for the trigger, keeping the thumb and index finger on the bolt. If those G3s are as-issued it's small wonder that the bolt gunners do so well. As an old shooter once commented regarding the HK, "A good rifle needs good sights, a good trigger and a good barrel. One out of three doesn't cut it."

P.S. 15 shots in 25 seconds is pretty fast.
P.P.S. Seems it's 16 shots. The bolt gunners have to single load the last round.

 

[fastarget]

awesome talent, look at the shooters around 26 min, also real nice electronic targets allow the pace with immediate feedback.....practice practice practice

 

[watercam]

Try shooting an Across the Course Highpower match some time. Same equipment (sling, coat, service or match rifle/iron sights [or 4X optic on AR service rifle now]). Course of fire 20 rds. off-hand/200 yds. in 20 minutes, 10 rds. sitting RAPID FIRE/200 yds. with mandatory magazine change in 60 seconds, 10 rds. prone RAPID FIRE/300 yds. with mandatory magazine change in 70 seconds, 20 rds. slow fire/600 yds. in 20 minutes. You could adopt the Norwegian style of pulling trigger with your third finger while the thumb and forefinger hold the bolt if you so desire.
Can be shot with service rifle or match depending upon what you have or can modify.
Try the National Match Forum some time.
Too bad there is not more spectator participation here in the States any more. Used to be!

 

[Grimstod]

We can thank the anti gun media for a lack of participation today.

 

[XTR]

I can't find it, but there is a vid out there of 3 guys with 3 different bolt actions ripping them off like that.

 

[watercam]

We can thank the amti gun media for a lack of participation today.

What's frustrating as well are the folks who come out and go straight to F-Class without giving position shooting a try. Too much trouble to learn the fundamentals? Some say it is equipment costs but just the front rests I see on the line are worth a decent coat, glove and sling. Rifle cost is the same (or less considering all the Nightforce optics I see these days). One would think some of the vets out there who have learned positions would come out.

 

[DRNewcomb]

......I can't find it, but there is a vid out there of 3 guys with 3 different bolt actions ripping them off like that.

Note the long travel on the 1894 Kraig-Jorgensen firing pin. It must feel like it takes a week between the release and the pin hitting the primer. Those speed loaders are slick as goose grease. Sort of a single-stack box magazine with an arched spring to hold the rounds in. Open the loading gate, insert the loader, press the spring and it sprays five rounds into the magazine. No one told me I was supposed to buy two of them. I only bought the one. By a slight trimming of the arch spring I was able to modify it for .30-40.

 

[XTR]

What's frustrating as well are the folks who come out and go straight to F-Class without giving position shooting a try. Too much trouble to learn the fundamentals? Some say it is equipment costs but just the front rests I see on the line are worth a decent coat, glove and sling. Rifle cost is the same (or less considering all the Nightforce optics I see these days). One would think some of the vets out there who have learned positions would come out.

Why the non sequitur? (but I'll bite)

Man this has been flogged dozens of times. The anger always seems to be directed at F class. There are lots of shooting styles and different firearms to suit different peoples likes. It's a good thing the NRA picked up on F class when they did, before it went independent, or the NRA would be getting ready to turn out the lights on the HP shooting section. People have been losing interest in sling and coat shooting in the US since long before F class. You may not believe this but there are actually people in the world who don't drink coffee!

For me personally, I lived literally across the street from Oak Ridge starting in 1995 until about 7 yrs ago when I moved 30 minutes away. My house was 925 yards from the 1000 yd firing line by Google Earth, and I was never interested in getting on the line until F class came along. (and never did) Oddly enough I moved right about the time I started shooting and going to the range several times a week DUH!.

You really enjoy position shooting, great! Just get that there are people who just aren't interested, shoot and let shoot.

BTW, F class participation is far behind the tactical/practical style rifle shooting in popularity, and there they shoot fast at targets at lots of ranges. Our NRA gets no part of that.

Try the National Match Forum some time.

I am registered, I've posted there once. That place reminds me of the Navy, where guys would bitch about a free beer. I just lurk there.

 

[Cujo]

Looks like most are using Sauer 202/SSG 3000 actions.

 

[BigBlueandGoldie]

Incredible! It appears they short stroke the bolts, but I never saw them skip a beat! Looks like a fun game, too bad we don't see more of it.

 

[Ned Ludd]

What's frustrating as well are the folks who come out and go straight to F-Class without giving position shooting a try. Too much trouble to learn the fundamentals? Some say it is equipment costs but just the front rests I see on the line are worth a decent coat, glove and sling. Rifle cost is the same (or less considering all the Nightforce optics I see these days). One would think some of the vets out there who have learned positions would come out.

Hitting a 1/2 MOA X-ring absolutely requires fundamentals, don't think for a second it doesn't. I simply prefer not being steamed to death in a shooting jacket like some poor lobster in a pot while I'm doing it. To each their own. I view participation in any shooting sport to be a good thing.

 

[DRNewcomb]

Looks like most are using Sauer 202/SSG 3000 actions.

I've been reading a little more about this and there's a reason why all the rifles look the same. Scandinavian target shooting strictly limits the rifles that can be used to a very short list of approved models. The most current on this list is the SIG Sauer 200 STR in either 6.5x55 or .308. Other than that civilians are limited to grandfathered types such as target rifles based on the '94 Kraig or '98 Mauser. Of these two, the Kraig is preferred for rapid fire.

 

[6MMsteve]

Why the non sequitur? (but I'll bite)

Man this has been flogged dozens of times. The anger always seems to be directed at F class. There are lots of shooting styles and different firearms to suit different peoples likes. It's a good thing the NRA picked up on F class when they did, before it went independent, or the NRA would be getting ready to turn out the lights on the HP shooting section. People have been losing interest in sling and coat shooting in the US since long before F class. You may not believe this but there are actually people in the world who don't drink coffee!

For me personally, I lived literally across the street from Oak Ridge starting in 1995 until about 7 yrs ago when I moved 30 minutes away. My house was 925 yards from the 1000 yd firing line by Google Earth, and I was never interested in getting on the line until F class came along. (and never did) Oddly enough I moved right about the time I started shooting and going to the range several times a week DUH!.

You really enjoy position shooting, great! Just get that there are people who just aren't interested, shoot and let shoot.

BTW, F class participation is far behind the tactical/practical style rifle shooting in popularity, and there they shoot fast at targets at lots of ranges. Our NRA gets no part of that.



I am registered, I've posted there once. That place reminds me of the Navy, where guys would bitch about a free beer. I just lurk there.

I do not drink coffee

 

[Mozella]

What's frustrating as well are the folks who come out and go straight to F-Class without giving position shooting a try. Too much trouble to learn the fundamentals? .... snip.........

Wait until you're more than 70 years old, half blind, fat as a pig, and shoot in Mississippi in August. Just looking at a coat which weighs more than my rifle makes me sweat. And, since the targets look like a big blur to me, I'll stick with my optics, thank you.

I got my U.S. Navy Marksmanship medal while position shooting a clapped-out M-1 rattle trap with iron sights, but that was quite a while ago during the transition from paper cartridges to brass when I was half my current weight, had better than 20/15 eyesight, and could get up from a prone position without phoning the Whale Rescue Society.

 

[Mudcat]

Mozella hit the nail on the head and that is exactly how F class was developed/started, but a Canadian that could no longer contort himself into position to shoot TR (Canadian for a Palma rifle, basically, as they call it a Target Rifle) so he put a bipod on the rifle, a scope and shot along side his buddies in the slings/coats/irons for fun. It grew from there. I shoot sling/irons, but I have shot F class too, started my son at 10 yrs old shooting F class and he switched to sling/irons at 13 and was a high master by the time he turned 14. Why? Cause he had most of the fundamentals already established by the time he slung up, he just had to learn how to hold the rifle still and align the sights (no easy feat, of course, but easier when you already know how to pull a trigger, read wind, etc). Personally, I find F class to be frustrating as its easy to shoot OK scores, but its difficult to get everything to where shots stay within 1/4moa of verticle and just because the dot or crosshair was on the X when you pulled the trigger doesnt mean thats where its going.

I am glad to see F class going strong, and I do think its help keep sling/irons going....and, some of us are doing our best to bring more folks out, as I have certainly brought my share of sling shooters out and even a bunch of new F class folks. Friendly banter is fine between the disciplines, but its a disservice to all of us to allow anything other than that to happen. Maybe some clubs need to do like ours has done, we will purposefully put F and sling every other target so guys are "forced" to get to know each other and it seems to have worked really well as our club does not have any animosity or bad feelings or whatever between the disciplines. May also help that several of our guys have shot both, or still shoot both. Either way, we are all pulling triggers, and thats all that matters anyhow. If you aint having fun, you are doing something wrong and why shoot if it aint fun?

 

[SWRichmond]

Crazy? I'll tell you what's crazy (to some Americans):

1. a bunch of people sitting in open bleachers cheering for their favorite shooter who is 10 meters away
   
2. safety officer getting each shooter to show clear at the end of the string
3. men with rifles and ammo waiting their turn, it's no big deal to be around men with guns - a society still retaining some vestige of trust and a sense of mutual self-interest
   
4. in other words, the simple demonstration of how safe the shooting sports actually are when a few very simple but important rules are followed diligently

And yes, it is fun to watch!