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No love for the Winchester/FN model 70?

1st CF rifle I owned was a push-feed M70 sporter in 243, purchased in '68 when I was a junior in high school. The old gentleman who ordered it in and sold it to me mounted a used Weaver K4 in Weaver rings on Weaver bases, adjusted the trigger down to a couple of pounds, then sold me dies, bullets, and 100 used pieces of mixed headstamp brass. I thought I had the world by the tail on a downhill pull with that rifle - used it on prairie dogs & coyotes, and couldn't have been happier, though I eventually swapped the K4 for a new K6. Back then, I could buy Speer 80gr PSPs or Sierra 75HPs for $3.75/box, and surplus H4831 for 80 cents/lb.

Since then, I've owned several push-feed M70s, including one NIB HV in 223 from '95 with a stinker of a bbl - there was a ding at the crown that looked like someone had deliberately placed a 1/8" pin punch there and given it a whack with a hammer, displacing metal out over the bore. I had a local smith re-cut the crown, only to discover that the chamber was grossly oversized. Sent it back to a Win. Service Center, where they re-barreled it; the new bbl.'s chamber was eccentric to the point that you could roll a fired case across a smooth countertop and easily see how out-of-round it was.

I had a good gunsmith in Wisconsin true another push-feed M70, and then chamber & install a 28" Krieger 1-8tw in 6 Dasher. I skim bedded it in a surplus H-S Precision Laredo stock, added a Jewell trigger, and the rifle shot at least as well as another Dasher on my custom Nesika action, done by the same 'smith.

Bought a M70 Stealth in 223 in '05 that shot pretty darned good, even though there were some nasty machining marks over the last 3" of the bore at the muzzle when viewed with a Hawkeye borescope. That bbl was advertised as having a 1-9 tw, but measured at 1-8.3, and shot S80MKs pretty accurately. By this time, I'd bought a lathe and started doing my own bbl work, so I replaced that OEM bbl with a 1-7.5tw PacNor, and the rifle is still an excellent shooter today.

There's no doubt in my mind that some questionable management decisions - coupled with very poor quality union labor - really put the hurt on the old Winchester reputation during the '90s. I also believe that if the aftermarket parts availability was as good for the M70 as it is for the Rem M700, we'd see a whole lot more M70s in the field and on the line.
 
Sent it back to a Win. Service Center, where they re-barreled it; the new bbl.'s chamber was eccentric to the point that you could roll a fired case across a smooth countertop and easily see how out-of-round it was. [Flatlander]

OUCH !!
 
Laurie - Hope that didn't sound too far-fetched to be true, because it's no exaggeration. Now that I've chambered 50+bbls myself, it's past me to imagine how it could've been accomplished - even if you wanted to do it.

Just a few months after this experience, I traded a couple of near-new Ruger collectable rifles for a used BR rig built around a Stolle Panda action, with a Six Enterprises stock, Shilen LV bbl in 6ppc, Jewell 2oz BR trigger, and Leupold 36x BR scope. Got dies & neck turning tools, Hart front rest/bunny ear rear bag, spare bbls, action wrench & bbl vise from the former owner later, then sat down to read Precision Shooting's "Guide to Reloading". This rifle & the ammo I loaded for it commenced to ruin just about any appreciation of factory rifles I had left - thank goodness....
 
Oh, I believe you Dennis - it's just appalling!

I saw an even worse example years back. A shooting acquaintance who is a BIG collector of bolt-action military rifles got the Japanese Arisaka rifle bug (much rarer in GB than the US) and started bulding up a small collection of 6.5 and 7.7mm examples. He got a long 6.5mm Type 38 (I think !!) and some rare factory ammo with a view to reloading for it. On his first outing to the range, he showed me some fired cases that were so out of true you just needed to inspect them visually - forget rolling them. Talk about egg-shape profile. Anyway, he used up his small stock of ammo and that rifle went into the collection for show / handling, not to be shot again!
 
jam711 said:
I have an FN, (Fabrique Nationale) Mauser in .270 made in Belgium in the early 50's.
Joe
I have one also in 30-06. It has taken Caribou, sheep, moose, deer, pronghorn, bear, lion, and hogs. Maybe a few other things. I am on the second barrel. I should probably take it Elk hunting next year. Maybe Africa or back to Alaska. Nothing like going a little "Old School" in our day of modern magnums and such.
 
Regarding the chambering problems, I would guess it has to do with some of the machining practices used in production vs what we think of, which is chambering in a lathe. Don't know how FNH is doing it, but my guess is that they are chambering with a boring type machine with a pilotless reamer. Out of three M70 Extreme Weather 308's I bought a couple years ago, two had screwed up chambers. The 1st one had an off-center chamber, but after working with it for about 300 rounds, was able to get it to shoot reliable MOA groups. The second one came in with a nice ring galled into the neck of the chamber, probably a chip caught in the reamer. That one went back to Browning & they replaced the rifle. This one scopes & shoots pretty good, like what you would expect. In spite of the problems, I do like these rifles very much, and subsequently bought a Win M70 Stealth II & a FNH SPR A2. The SPR has not shot very well & is at the smith waiting to have a couple new barrels fitted. I like the stock, but the rifle is pretty darn heavy, as was said above. New barrel will be Med palma weight, which I think will make it a nice, manageable rifle. I do love the CRF of these rifles & FN's DBM setup feeds single drop-in rounds flawlessly.
 
Winchester Customer Service recently advised me that beginning in 2013 the Model 70 was assembled in Portugal from parts made in Belgium.
 
l have a couple push feed Model 70 HV guns. Both in their 50s. Made before those blood sucking Wall Streeters drained Winchester in New Haven dry. They shoot amazingly well. Word the FN Winchester 70s are made in Columbia SC. Its sad our govt allows old established gun companies like Colt, Remington, Winchester starve and like they have. 0ther countries treat theirs much BETTER. Beretta is almost 500yrs old. FN has been around forever as has most other arms companies in Europe and Japan. Union Labor is always taken the blame for gun companies ceasing here. l can assure you ALL gun companies in Europe and Japan are UNION
 

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