Nikon Scopes?

[riflecrank]

I don't see much comment on Nikon rifle scopes. Has anyone had any luck with the Monarch line? I'm looking at a 5-20x44 side focus for my .20 Vartarg. I don't want to spend a ton of money and these seem to be priced right.

 

[NateHaler]

I don't see much comment on Nikon rifle scopes. Has anyone had any luck with the Monarch line?

Yes. They make a good product. I'd even recommend you look at their Buckmaster line too, e.g. the 4.5-14x40. I think it's a best buy at the price point.

The Optic Zone is a good source for Nikon.

 

[TheOpticZone]

I agree. Nikon makes some great products.

 

[JDMock]

I recently tested a 8-32X Monarch and the ED glass is superb. As shown in the attached picture the 'square' test showed perfect tracking. I believe that this scope represents a good value. If you are going to use it,8-32) you may want to get some tapered bases since the range of reticle adjustment is limited. Good shooting. James Mock

 

[riflecrank]

I recently tested a 8-32X Monarch and the ED glass is superb. As shown in the attached picture the 'square' test showed perfect tracking. I believe that this scope represents a good value. If you are going to use it,8-32) you may want to get some tapered bases since the range of reticle adjustment is limited. Good shooting. James Mock

The ED glass is intriguing on this model. I see that it only has 20 MOA of adjustment, That kinda kills the deal for me.

 

[DogBuster]

I'm using a couple of new SF Monarchs on p/dog rigs..although still only one inch tubes...they are a 'great buy' in optics..The 5-20 will serve you well on the 20 VT...The extra target knobs are a plus too...I'm using a 4-14 Weaver Tact on my 20 VT and its plenty of glass out to 500+ on p/dogs.....

 

[ozman]

I recently bought a Nikon Monarch 6-24X50SF FCD with a fine cross-hair and dot which I really like. It came with 3 sets of knobs too which was a plus. The optics seem really clear and the adjustments are precise.

 

[james]

Just curious would Burris Signature rings and -20/+20 inserts get one out to 600 to 700 yards with the 8x32 Monarch and a 223? I'm thinking the 8x32 with 20 moa plus the -20/+20,40 total) would do it pretty easy?

Thoughts are appreciated.

 

[ozman]

According to my ballistics program a .223 with a 40 gr V-Max at 3800 fps with a BC of .224,Hornady factory load) will drop about 79' at 600 yds. It will drop about 125' at 700 yds. So with 1 moa= 6.288' at 600 yds and 10 moa in both directions from center in your scope plus the 20 from the bases, you got a total of 30 moa to work with. Therefore 30x6.288=188.64 so you are fine at 600. At 700 you got 7.33x30=219.9 which is also fine. Notice though that without the bases adjustment you would be just shy at 600,62.88' and you need 79). I hope this makes sense and helps some.

 

[john1c]

Just curious would Burris Signature rings and -20/+20 inserts get one out to 600 to 700 yards with the 8x32 Monarch and a 223? I'm thinking the 8x32 with 20 moa plus the -20/+20,40 total) would do it pretty easy?


What was told to me was that the Monarch 8-32 with 20 moa is total, meaning -10/+10.

 

[ozman]

Hi Jim:
According to Sierra the 77gr. MK has a BC of .362 at velocities between 2500 and 3000 fps. I guess the answer all depends on what yardage you want to zero your rifle at. At a 100 yard zero at your stated velocity of 2800 fps my program says your bullet will drop 10.73 moa at 500 and 14.95 moa at 600. This assumes a 100 yard zero though. With a 200 yard zero you would need 9.19 at 500 and 13.41 at 600. It would seem then that you would be a tad short with the 8-32X monarch at 500 and a lot short at 600 since you have +10/-10 moa from center with that model,if I understand it right) with a 100 yd zero. With the 200 yard zero you would be ok at 500 but still a bit short at 600. It seems to me that scope was designed to be used at ranges up to about 400-500 yds really,most hunting situations). The scope I bought has 30 moa,6-24X 50 SF) which is a little more than the one you are considering, and it would be sufficient for your load at 600 but just barely. I notice though that the 4-16X42 SF has 40 moa total so that would be twice as much as the 8-32X model. That would be more than enough then at 600 yds, although you lose half the magnification. I also notice that the 3-12X42 SF has 60 moa. By the way what were they asking for that scope? And what were you wanting that scope for? Long distance target shooting? Thanks.

Hugh

PS I was just doing a little experimenting and it seems that if you wanted to zero at 400 yds it might be good at 600. Here are the moa for various ranges with a 400 yd zero with your load:

100=-7.13
200=-5.59
300=-3.04
400=0
500=+3.60
600=+7.82
700=+12.62

So it seems you COULD get it to work with a 400 yd zero at 600 yards,but not 700) although at closer ranges you sure would be shooting high,over 11 inches high at 200)!

 

[cliffy]

Seven Hundred Yards for Hunting? Forget It! Nikon scopes are excellent for the price. No rifle can claim to be a 600 yard deer slayer, yet a seasoned precision shooter can claim such results with a minimum three days-a-week practice. I shoot thrice a week, yet my maximum DEER range is 350 yards. I have 20/15 corrected eyesight, considered eagle vision, while most hunters are at 20/20 to 20/30 vision. Burris Signature Select scopes are superior for the money spent, via my shooting results at 200 yards (6-24x44mm) using 20x. Bullet drop and windage issues at 600 yards far outweigh any scope and rifle combo. Cliffy, the semi-competent

 

[Gman]

Dear Cliffy,

I know people who shoot, and kill whitetail deer at 1000+ yards here in SW Pa hunting farms/fields. They shoot alot and are excellent at reading the wind. I am not one of these people, but if I was as good as they are, I too would like to shoot long range with the proper caliber/cartridge if I could handle the recoil.. They make 1 shot kills with frequency, and are superb long range ground-hog hunters also. Please realize that you might not agree with this type of hunting, but my friends are avid 1000 yard competition shooters, and are very much capable, and know what they are doing.

 

[NateHaler]

off topic, please move the deviation elsewhere

Seven Hundred Yards for Hunting? Forget It! Nikon scopes are excellent for the price. No rifle can claim to be a 600 yard deer slayer, yet a seasoned precision shooter can claim such results with a minimum three days-a-week practice. I shoot thrice a week, yet my maximum DEER range is 350 yards. I have 20/15 corrected eyesight, considered eagle vision, while most hunters are at 20/20 to 20/30 vision. Burris Signature Select scopes are superior for the money spent, via my shooting results at 200 yards (6-24x44mm) using 20x. Bullet drop and windage issues at 600 yards far outweigh any scope and rifle combo. Cliffy, the semi-competent

This argument doesn't belong here, and has been flogged before. Please move it to longrangehunting.com, where they've beaten this drum (both sides) many times.

 

[riflecrank]

Just curious would Burris Signature rings and -20/+20 inserts get one out to 600 to 700 yards with the 8x32 Monarch and a 223? I'm thinking the 8x32 with 20 moa plus the -20/+20,40 total) would do it pretty easy?


What was told to me was that the Monarch 8-32 with 20 moa is total, meaning -10/+10.

I went ahead and got an 8-32 monarch for my 20VT. I figured that since I don't shoot much past 300 yds with the rifle I could live with the limited adjustment range. I ran out of adjustment just bore sighting it and will have to get a Burris .020 offset for my signature rings just to get it on paper. My personal opinion is that the scope is basically worthless with -10/+10 MOA total adjustment range and would advise anyone against the purchase of one. Its really too bad as the optics are outstanding with the ED glass.

 

[NateHaler]

I went ahead and got an 8-32 monarch for my 20VT. I figured that since I don't shoot much past 300 yds with the rifle I could live with the limited adjustment range. I ran out of adjustment just bore sighting it and will have to get a Burris .020 offset for my signature rings just to get it on paper. My personal opinion is that the scope is basically worthless with -10/+10 MOA total adjustment range and would advise anyone against the purchase of one. Its really too bad as the optics are outstanding with the ED glass.

Sorry you decided to find out the hard way. If you go with the Burris ring offsets, bear in mind that you want the rear of the scope higher than the front. Try to get a short range zero towards the bottom of the scope's internal adjustment range. (Often easier said than done...)

Good luck.