been saving monies for a newer scope----------locals get together and shoot at my farm. Have steels and paper set-up out to 800 yards.------------- I shoot 308 and 300wsm. target barrels, timney triggers, bench rest stocks with bedded actions. I desire a scope that is repeatable in turret movement. Should I have Moa, Mil, or inch turrets. Which sightron or nightforce, or maybe another brand would you shooters suggest for this old man that wants to have some fun with the younger group. Maybe even show them a thing or two.
nightforce vs sightron
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Hey how about that, got this out of the classfied section.
Richard. This is a highy subjective topic Im afraid to say. Like what underwear you like best kinda.
I just purchased a NightForce NSX 5.5X22 in Ocotober and Have three Sightron SIII 8-32's a older 6-24 SII and lil 3x9 hunting scope as well. TO be honest Im not sure My Night force has anything on Sightron in Clarity or tracking or light weight. It is however built like a tank being very robust with alot of reticle options and a great warrenty capable of taking rough handling and severe conditions. Also has a lite reticle if that is important to you as well.
For the guy who does not want to spend over $1100.00 on a TARGET scope thats ranked up with the big boys. I believe the Sightron SIII will not let you down dispite its lower cost. If however you are going out and beating the tar out of your equipment the Nightforce is hard to beat at anyprice really. Tough as nails it seems. Lots of gadgets.
Im sure Ill take some heat from the NightForce lovers here. Sorry guys just how I see it, no disrespect intended.
I think if youcan get a chance to look through the ones you would like to purchase it would help your descision more than any of us talking about it.
RussT
Richard. This is a highy subjective topic Im afraid to say. Like what underwear you like best kinda.
I just purchased a NightForce NSX 5.5X22 in Ocotober and Have three Sightron SIII 8-32's a older 6-24 SII and lil 3x9 hunting scope as well. TO be honest Im not sure My Night force has anything on Sightron in Clarity or tracking or light weight. It is however built like a tank being very robust with alot of reticle options and a great warrenty capable of taking rough handling and severe conditions. Also has a lite reticle if that is important to you as well.
For the guy who does not want to spend over $1100.00 on a TARGET scope thats ranked up with the big boys. I believe the Sightron SIII will not let you down dispite its lower cost. If however you are going out and beating the tar out of your equipment the Nightforce is hard to beat at anyprice really. Tough as nails it seems. Lots of gadgets.
Im sure Ill take some heat from the NightForce lovers here. Sorry guys just how I see it, no disrespect intended.
I think if youcan get a chance to look through the ones you would like to purchase it would help your descision more than any of us talking about it.
RussT
Thanks for the comment-----------I'm looking for honest , straight forward comments. I will not be abusive with scope, no drag bags, no prone shooting, hard case for the rifles, one rifle that I built is break down and i designed the inside of the pelican case for the rifle.
Probably do sightron III would you go with the new 10-50 or older 8-32 for the distances I am shooting. Which reticle for old eyes.
Probably do sightron III would you go with the new 10-50 or older 8-32 for the distances I am shooting. Which reticle for old eyes.
richard: They are both very good scopes & you will not go wrong with either. I do have and favor the NF BR 12-42x's. Did have a Sightron S111 10-50x60mm that I bought new.
Sightron had very good optics, tracking & repeatability was excellent. There were a few little things I was not satisfied with, like the Sightron version of "lens caps", no sunshade included, & limited choice of reticles, at that time. Their owners manual was a piece of foldup paper that would fit in a shirt pocket. Just little things that would not bother most, I'm probably just too picky----nothing wrong with the scope.
More importantly is the warranty coverage, and if Sightron is as customer friendly as Leupold & Nightforce then that's a big point in my book. I'm currently working with another manufacturer for warranty coverage on one of their scopes that I bought new, it failed, and they are being anything but co-operative. Their whole warranty program is designed to discourage the customer from submitting claims. Will never buy another one of their scopes.
p.s.: For the distance you mentioned, 800 yards, I would definately go with the 10-50x. Always nice to have the extra magnification for the times when you will need it.
Sightron had very good optics, tracking & repeatability was excellent. There were a few little things I was not satisfied with, like the Sightron version of "lens caps", no sunshade included, & limited choice of reticles, at that time. Their owners manual was a piece of foldup paper that would fit in a shirt pocket. Just little things that would not bother most, I'm probably just too picky----nothing wrong with the scope.
More importantly is the warranty coverage, and if Sightron is as customer friendly as Leupold & Nightforce then that's a big point in my book. I'm currently working with another manufacturer for warranty coverage on one of their scopes that I bought new, it failed, and they are being anything but co-operative. Their whole warranty program is designed to discourage the customer from submitting claims. Will never buy another one of their scopes.
p.s.: For the distance you mentioned, 800 yards, I would definately go with the 10-50x. Always nice to have the extra magnification for the times when you will need it.
Richard,
Great choice going with the Sightron. I would definitely go MOA turrets and MOA reticle to keep in simple as long as this will work with your eyes. I have several MOA and MIL combinations and it can get confusing and in reality makes no sense. IMHO. Sounds like fun whatever you choose.
Regards, Paul
www.boltfluting.com
Great choice going with the Sightron. I would definitely go MOA turrets and MOA reticle to keep in simple as long as this will work with your eyes. I have several MOA and MIL combinations and it can get confusing and in reality makes no sense. IMHO. Sounds like fun whatever you choose.
Regards, Paul
www.boltfluting.com
Dave Berg said:
Dave just answered your question. Do you want a scope to quit during a match or even at all? I use several NF scopes in matches and in the field for the past 10 years. Not one NF scope has ever needed service. You get what you pay for.
I've got several SIIIs - six of the 6-24x50s, and a couple of the 8-32x56s. The 8-32s are reserved for BR varmint silhouette shooting, a couple of the 6-24s with dot reticles are for LR prone, while the rest of the 6-24s have the MOA reticle, and get used mostly in tactical & steel matches. There's also one 6-24 with a mildot reticle, but MOA knobs which I'll probably sell or trade eventually - it's just the 'odd man out' in the group, and I don't want to have to do the mental math to work with it, which is relatively easy to do with the MOA reticle. I've had no mechanical or optical problems with any of these SIIIs, and have even done side-by-side comparison with the 1st 8-32 & a NF BR 8-32. Optical quality of the SIII was at least equal to that of the NF, in either bright daylight, or dim late afternoon light.
I've never really learned to range with the mil system, even though I do have a scope with FFP mil dot reticle - but it's also got MOA knobs, so what's the point in having the FFP reticle? I'm not sure what this company was thinking when they designed the scope with this combination - maybe the designers were headed for making a fully-functional mildot scope when the marketing guys or bean-counters in accounting cut them off at the pass? Whatever - If you're not going to make the effort and take the time to become proficient at ranging with the mil system, why pay the premium to get a FFP scope? Far as I'm concerned, the FFP feature has its drawbacks - namely a reticle that's usually too fine when the scope's set at its bottom power to see or use mildot or other ranging features, nor is the reticle distinct enough to use in quick 'n dirty, close-range scenarios, where you'd be most likely to have the scope set at its lowest power.
OTOH - I recently shot a steel match where we had eight 8" diamond shaped targets at unknown distances, spread out across two ridges that ran from left to right in front of us. There were a number of cedars of various sizes spread all over these ridges, and you'd think they would've been useful as references to help you get back on a target with the riflescope once you'd ranged it and got back on the rifle - but with the morning sun shining into our faces, it was very difficult to do. I tried glassing the ridges with an excellent pair of 8-42 binocs, then switching to a 5x Terrapin LRF to range, then get back on the rifle and try to find the target again to shoot it. I only found & hit six of the eight targets before running out of the 20 min time limit. Frustrating to say the least, though I thought it was a well thought-out, realistic exercise.
A scope with a good ranging system and low enough bottom power to allow for decent field of view would've been the best way to deal with this problem IMHO, especially since each shooter was on his own, and not allowed the luxury of having a spotter doing the locating & ranging for him. If you're not going to get into these types of scenarios, then a scope with good optics, and accurate & repeatable adjustments is all you really need to worry about.
I've never really learned to range with the mil system, even though I do have a scope with FFP mil dot reticle - but it's also got MOA knobs, so what's the point in having the FFP reticle? I'm not sure what this company was thinking when they designed the scope with this combination - maybe the designers were headed for making a fully-functional mildot scope when the marketing guys or bean-counters in accounting cut them off at the pass? Whatever - If you're not going to make the effort and take the time to become proficient at ranging with the mil system, why pay the premium to get a FFP scope? Far as I'm concerned, the FFP feature has its drawbacks - namely a reticle that's usually too fine when the scope's set at its bottom power to see or use mildot or other ranging features, nor is the reticle distinct enough to use in quick 'n dirty, close-range scenarios, where you'd be most likely to have the scope set at its lowest power.
OTOH - I recently shot a steel match where we had eight 8" diamond shaped targets at unknown distances, spread out across two ridges that ran from left to right in front of us. There were a number of cedars of various sizes spread all over these ridges, and you'd think they would've been useful as references to help you get back on a target with the riflescope once you'd ranged it and got back on the rifle - but with the morning sun shining into our faces, it was very difficult to do. I tried glassing the ridges with an excellent pair of 8-42 binocs, then switching to a 5x Terrapin LRF to range, then get back on the rifle and try to find the target again to shoot it. I only found & hit six of the eight targets before running out of the 20 min time limit. Frustrating to say the least, though I thought it was a well thought-out, realistic exercise.
A scope with a good ranging system and low enough bottom power to allow for decent field of view would've been the best way to deal with this problem IMHO, especially since each shooter was on his own, and not allowed the luxury of having a spotter doing the locating & ranging for him. If you're not going to get into these types of scenarios, then a scope with good optics, and accurate & repeatable adjustments is all you really need to worry about.
Both have good glass.
Sitting next to each other, the NF impresses as a higher quality piece of equipment in general, in feel and appearance. Optical clarity between the SIII and the NF NXS series is a wash in my opinion.
The Benchrest series scopes from Nightforce beats both the SIII and the NXS series in clarity in my experience, (and with the inherent NF quality) and is now my scope of choice. It’s been suggested to me the reason for the difference in clarity of the NXS and the BR models is the parallax adjustment methods; fewer lens in the BR model. I do know they stand out for me.
Good-luck whatever your choice.
Sitting next to each other, the NF impresses as a higher quality piece of equipment in general, in feel and appearance. Optical clarity between the SIII and the NF NXS series is a wash in my opinion.
The Benchrest series scopes from Nightforce beats both the SIII and the NXS series in clarity in my experience, (and with the inherent NF quality) and is now my scope of choice. It’s been suggested to me the reason for the difference in clarity of the NXS and the BR models is the parallax adjustment methods; fewer lens in the BR model. I do know they stand out for me.
Good-luck whatever your choice.
thanks guys good information-----------since I will be able to range my targets one of the scopes with crosshairs and dot will probably work best. If i am crow, varmint, deer, hunting situations----i usually am set-up with sticks or in one of the elevated shooting houses (8by8)on the farm and I am using my modified Remington 700 in 308. I took my high school Remington 700, series"A" receiver, in 308, placed a heavier contour 20" barrel, bedded receiver in McMillian stock, Timney trigger with bottom safety, 6-18 Shephard scope, mounted side sling straps clips so rifle would lay better against my back with scope when walking. works like a champ. shoots 180 partitions out to 250, 150 Accubonds out to 500, 125 TNT for crows/varmints. Old rifle have lots of rounds thru it but I know the gun and the handloads----------for hunting gun will last me the rest of my life. Bought original gun in 1966/67. If wondering about the work I took a gun smithing/machine shop class over several winters years ago.
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