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Newbie / beginner looking for advice

Hello all new to the Forum and I would like to dip my toes into Benchrest. For now, I am thinking about getting a Remington 700 in .223 (gotta have the beautiful wood stock) and learn to shoot it well and try my luck competing locally out to 300yds. I think the .223 ammo is readily available, not too expensive, easy to reload, and has a good selection of reloading components. Its also, as I understand it, fairly accurate out to 300yds and by the time I have outgrown it I will know what I want next (like a 6PPC or 6BR or ???).

My question to the Forum is this: Which 700 to get? A fairly new-ish 700 BDL in .223 like the one for sale on one of the auction sites (discontinued in 2007), or would you guys recommend the 700 Varmint Special which was discontinued in 1994? I really want the beautiful wood stock so I’m not considering a synthetic or the current production VLS Laminated Stock. I can take the time to search for the right rifle.

And just to toss another option into the mix, there is a 700BDL wood stock in 6BR for sale on this Forum (although I can’t seem to find the ad right now) which is tempting.

Lastly, should I consider a different cartridge? My thinking for the .223 is that it would be versatile and not just for Benchrest. If I got a 6BR I’d have to immediately invest in reloading equipment as I’m not sure if 6BR is available off the shelf. With the .223 I could take my time and wait until I had the need to reload, or had 500 empty brass looking at me :-)

A little about me. I fell in love with shooting when I was very little and my first time shooting was with the Webelos at a Scout camp when I was 10 or 11 circa 1970. I asked my parents for a .22 for Christmas for many years but never got one. I remember buying my own subscription to Guns and Ammo magazine when I was 12 and reading them cover to cover many times. Elmer Keith, Jeff “Cooper on Handguns”, Dick Metcalf, and many others. I always loved the articles on benchrest shooting and dreamed of one day participating in that sport with a Remington 700BDL in 7mm Rem mag. Of course that’s what EVERYONE shot back in the early 70’s. I continued with that magazine subscription for many years.

At 18 I finally bought my first rifle from a guy for $25 – a Winchester Model 61 pump action .22LR that I still own and shoot on occasion. That thing is the most accurate rifle I have shot to date with open sights. Next came a Remington Nylon 66 and when I was 21 a Ruger MKI pistol. When I moved to Utah for a while I shot Metallic Handgun Silhouette, which was a lot of fun. However the dream of Benchrest did not materialize. Fast-forward to today and all but my M61 are gone, so I am “rebuilding” and seriously looking to scratch that Benchrest itch I’ve have for 40+ years.

Thanks to all the great people on this Forum that take the time to educate and mentor us newbies.

Michael
 
MJGillen -

Howdy !

FWIW - I can tell you how it went, for me and my shooting buddy.

We started out w/ decent varmint rifles, that we used on groundhogs.
When we were able, we'd shoot in local short-range score and benchrest shoots; mostly " Factory " class.
To me when one says " benchrest ", I first think of 100yd " Light Varmint " and " Heavy Varmint " class rifles used to shoot 5-shot groups for record.

The urge is always to do one's best, and we immediately noticed a disparity between our " equipment "; and that being used by the more successful shooters. The old adage is : " Accuracy costs money. How accurate do you want to be ? "

Yes... just the equipment itself is not the end-all for success in benchrest shooting. Still, no one wants to " go at it " feeling that they are competing w/ marginal equipment, or worse..... having it proven to be so.

For me and my shooting buddy, that meant custom-smithed guns for things like shooting in a " Modified " class, and finally having a dedicated BR rifle made.

Turned out I did not stick w/ short range benchrest, after my shooting friend returned to the Army for some years.
While I did continue on w/ custom rifles for varmint/target use, he got back into BR after; becoming a civilian again.
As it turned out, he was NBRSA " Rookie Shooter of the Year ", his first year into competition !
Each year, my friend goes through bunches of Lapua brass, custom BR bullets, powder, primers, and yes... even the occasional new barrel.
He has guns for Light Varmint, Heavy Varmint, and even has dabbled w/ " Unlimited " "RAIL GUNS ". Spare barrels, spare stocks

IMHO - You might try your hand w/ a wood stocked, traditionally bedded rifle w/ a factory action and perhaps a custom barrel.
But, be fore-warned: you will soon hear the siren call of large magnification scopes, specialty dies, Bix & Andy triggers, full custom dedicated bench guns; and .......


IF you can find a good one, I'd recommend a good .222 Rem over a .223, but hey.... that's just me.
My buddy got burned on his purchase of a gently pre-owned accuracy rifle. And his reaction ? Have a custom rifle made, to his specs.

Best of luck in your endeavors !


With regards,
357Mag
 
MJGillen -

Howdy, again !

Hey !
I forgot to mention...

My benchrest shooting buddy is having new varmint rifles made on non-trued Rem 700 actions; w/ wood stocks.
One will be a blued action /barrel .222Mag. The other rifle, a 6BR in a stainless Rem 700 / barrel & factory laminated stock.

Everything has it's place, nicht var ?


With regards,
357Mag
 
357Mag thanks for the reply and Itchy thanks for the PM and the list.

I know that I will inevitably move to a custom dedicated BR rifle and all the fun things that go along with it. I just want to get out and have some fun for now with something that I can get "off the shelf" that will shoot "good enough" for me. I'm not expecting to win any club matches in my first year - I just want to steadily improve on my personal best. Its been a long time since I've reloaded and I'll want to move slow and deliberate. I do remember how much fun and rewarding it is to improve on loads and hit what you're aiming at. Hitting the Rams at 200m open sights with my Ruger GP-100 tossing 180gr bullets was very rewarding. Especially when I could use the same gun to plink and hit using a very mild 38 special wadcutter. So I know what's ahead (a little), just looking to ease into it. So that's why I'm thinking something off the shelf.

Michael
 
My best advice is to go to the type match you want to start attending and see whats up. Youll make some friends and maybe find a used rifle. Youll also see what folks are shooting. I can tell you right now no matter what type of benchrest shooting you want to do youll be discouraged very fast with that rifle. No matter how fine you get it tuned youll be at the bottom or right above the broke scopes at best no matter what you do. For not much more money you can find a used ppc and be competitive. Hate to bear the bad news but i also would hate for you to have to buy twice and really hate for new guys to get discouraged and quit
 
Some food for thought:
Pretty stocks don't shoot any better than well made ugly stocks. If you're going to spend money on a stock make your selection on something more important than how pretty it is.
IMO, the .223 is a good starting point but you're going to get into reloading eventually so a 6BR set up for bench rest would be my recommendation. The basic reloading gear isn't going to put you in the poor house and you can expand on a starter kit over time:
http://www.midwayusa.com/product/937051/rcbs-rock-chucker-supreme-master-single-stage-press-kit
I started with a .223. Got tired of bench rest pretty quickly. Didn't take six months before I noticed I really wanted a 6BR. Within the next year I wanted a .284 for long range competition. In my case the motivation was, as I gained proficiency at the shorter ranges, I got hungry for longer and longer distance challenges.
Best of luck in your quest.
 
Good advice Dusty... I had read that several times here... Maybe I should just get the BDL for fun and get a real BR rifle for BR...

And thanks Lapua.... I guess I need to be scouring the Classifieds now... bite the bullet (pun intended)... however first I'll go to a Match and see what everyone's shooting... also read that many times here too...
 
Hello all new to the Forum and I would like to dip my toes into Benchrest. For now, I am thinking about getting a Remington 700 in .223 (gotta have the beautiful wood stock) and learn to shoot it well and try my luck competing locally out to 300yds. I think the .223 ammo is readily available, not too expensive, easy to reload, and has a good selection of reloading components. Its also, as I understand it, fairly accurate out to 300yds and by the time I have outgrown it I will know what I want next (like a 6PPC or 6BR or ???).

My question to the Forum is this: Which 700 to get? A fairly new-ish 700 BDL in .223 like the one for sale on one of the auction sites (discontinued in 2007), or would you guys recommend the 700 Varmint Special which was discontinued in 1994? I really want the beautiful wood stock so I’m not considering a synthetic or the current production VLS Laminated Stock. I can take the time to search for the right rifle.

And just to toss another option into the mix, there is a 700BDL wood stock in 6BR for sale on this Forum (although I can’t seem to find the ad right now) which is tempting.

Lastly, should I consider a different cartridge? My thinking for the .223 is that it would be versatile and not just for Benchrest. If I got a 6BR I’d have to immediately invest in reloading equipment as I’m not sure if 6BR is available off the shelf. With the .223 I could take my time and wait until I had the need to reload, or had 500 empty brass looking at me :)

A little about me. I fell in love with shooting when I was very little and my first time shooting was with the Webelos at a Scout camp when I was 10 or 11 circa 1970. I asked my parents for a .22 for Christmas for many years but never got one. I remember buying my own subscription to Guns and Ammo magazine when I was 12 and reading them cover to cover many times. Elmer Keith, Jeff “Cooper on Handguns”, Dick Metcalf, and many others. I always loved the articles on benchrest shooting and dreamed of one day participating in that sport with a Remington 700BDL in 7mm Rem mag. Of course that’s what EVERYONE shot back in the early 70’s. I continued with that magazine subscription for many years.

At 18 I finally bought my first rifle from a guy for $25 – a Winchester Model 61 pump action .22LR that I still own and shoot on occasion. That thing is the most accurate rifle I have shot to date with open sights. Next came a Remington Nylon 66 and when I was 21 a Ruger MKI pistol. When I moved to Utah for a while I shot Metallic Handgun Silhouette, which was a lot of fun. However the dream of Benchrest did not materialize. Fast-forward to today and all but my M61 are gone, so I am “rebuilding” and seriously looking to scratch that Benchrest itch I’ve have for 40+ years.

Thanks to all the great people on this Forum that take the time to educate and mentor us newbies.

Michael
Good advice Dusty... I had read that several times here... Maybe I should just get the BDL for fun and get a real BR rifle for BR...

And thanks Lapua.... I guess I need to be scouring the Classifieds now... bite the bullet (pun intended)... however first I'll go to a Match and see what everyone's shooting... also read that many times here too...
I would suggest that you take Dustys advice. Many of us have tried to start with something less than ideal for Benchrest and end up spending more money than needed. I agree with the going to a match and watch.The Cactus Classic is coming up on March 19&20. It is one of the largest matches of the year with shooters from every part of the country. there will also be lots of stuff for sale. You should also look for a mentor so you lessen your learning curve. PM me if you have questions. Yes I do compete not just on a keyboard.
 
Looks like the "High-Power" matches around here are prone position only, no bench rest.

I am in San Diego County. Where can I find a list of BR matches within a reasonable drive?

Thanks,
Michael
 
My best advice is to go to the type match you want to start attending and see whats up. Youll make some friends and maybe find a used rifle. Youll also see what folks are shooting. I can tell you right now no matter what type of benchrest shooting you want to do youll be discouraged very fast with that rifle. No matter how fine you get it tuned youll be at the bottom or right above the broke scopes at best no matter what you do. For not much more money you can find a used ppc and be competitive. Hate to bear the bad news but i also would hate for you to have to buy twice and really hate for new guys to get discouraged and quit
+1 to this wish I had this advice in the beginning but I will say this I ended up with some very accurate off the shelf rifles after investing much money in gunsmith costs accurizing my rifles to the extent that I could have gone custom like I have now.

Cheers Trev.
 
+1 to this wish I had this advice in the beginning but I will say this I ended up with some very accurate off the shelf rifles after investing much money in gunsmith costs accurizing my rifles to the extent that I could have gone custom like I have now.

Cheers Trev.

And thats very good having other stuff to play with! I sure dont discourage a safe full of accurate rifles. You just cant get by with having one thatll do multiple things. @BoydAllen knows a lot about where to go in cali and may can help you alot
 
I dont know about other areas , but the first 3 matches I went to, someone loaned me one of their spare rifles. I had went with the intention of just watching and learning and I had to beat back the other shooters from all the offers they gave me to use their rifles. They were more interested in helping me get started than they were interested in even shooting the match. You can't find a better group of guys than the BR community. Like others have mentioned I would go to a couple of matches, hang out and see what's going on. I personally would be on the look out for a used rifle at a match or on here. Honestly you would be money ahead to just jump to the customs if you end up liking the competition. Just my 2cents
 
pala indian reservation shooting range...http://www.ncsapala.com

I have shot at this range,,,they do all sorts of shooting and you should be able to find somone there to steer you in the right direction,,,it is close to where you live,,,Roger
 
Hello all,

Well, I observed the Match on Saturday at the Escondido Fish and Game range (http://escondidofishandgame.com) to see what it was all about and tour the facilities. As usual a bunch of nice people. However, only one person showed up for the match and he had an old WWII M1 Garand so it wasn't too exciting to watch. However I did get to meet some people, check out the facility.

The first weekend of the month is the Santa Margarita Match which holds an F class long range shooting competition (https://www.smgunclub.org/rifle/f-class-rifle/) so I'm going to see what that one is like next.

Thanks for everyone's advice, especially Bob who has been PMing me as well.
Michael
 

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