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New to F-Class

So as the title says i am new to F-class. Having said that i am looking for a little help with reloading for this sport. I have been loading for about 2 years now and haven't had any issues or anything but I feel that I am like i am brand new to reloading now. I have read countless things as well as watched plenty of videos on precision reloading and have come to the conclusion that there isn't any real consistency so far. I am hoping that some of you could help me out and tell me what you are doing for your precision loads. I am not looking for ay secrets here just general process. I am shooting 6.5 creedmoor. I have hornady cases and berger 140gr Hybrid bullets. Any help would greatly be appreciated.

FL or neck size?
What dies do you use?
Anneal? If so before or after sizing and how often?
Meplat trim bullets and tip them?
Uniform flash holes and chamfer?
Uniform primer pockets? If so after first firing or before?
Sort bullets by weight or from base to ogive length?

Thanks Chris
 
FL or neck size?.... FL size everytime
What dies do you use?...Whidden for sizing and Wilson for seating.
Anneal? If so before or after sizing and how often?...Everytime before sizing.
Meplat trim bullets and tip them?....Yes
Uniform flash holes and chamfer?....I don't....but may start.
Uniform primer pockets? If so after first firing or before? I don't....but may start.
Sort bullets by weight or from base to ogive length?...Both.
 
FL or neck size?.... FL size everytime
What dies do you use?...Whidden for sizing and Wilson for seating.
Anneal? If so before or after sizing and how often?...Everytime before sizing.
Meplat trim bullets and tip them?....Yes
Uniform flash holes and chamfer?....I don't....but may start.
Uniform primer pockets? If so after first firing or before? I don't....but may start.
Sort bullets by weight or from base to ogive length?...Both.

All of the above and weigh charges to within a single kernel.
 
To broaden the requirements a bit, MOA results get you a perfect score if you read the wind right. SUB-moa results get you a perfect score +/-X count if you read the wind not so correctly
 
So I have shot 2 competitions so far. I shot them both with factory Hornady ammo. First one I shot a 586 with 22x's and the second was a 586 with 17x's. Hoping that I can develop some good loads so that hopefully I can post a better score. Not blaming the ammo just trying to make it a little more consistent coming out of the gun.
 
Thanks Chris



FL or neck size? FL - Every time

What dies do you use? I use Redding for sizing - matches my chambers. (A little hint - sometimes it is better to use a cheap one-piece die than a bushing die - depends on your neck thickness)

Anneal? Ok, I'm going against the crowd here - No, it doesn't make any accuracy difference in the first 10 firings. It does improve ease of sizing and case longevity.

Meplat trim bullets and tip them? I've done all of the above, but it makes a very, very small difference inside of 800 yards.

Uniform flash holes and chamfer? I would on Hornady brass.

Uniform primer pockets? If so after first firing or before? Yes, after the first firing - makes little difference in accuracy, but makes primer seating much simpler.

Sort bullets by weight or from base to ogive length? None of the above. Sorting bullets is a form of masochism. I only check for differences when changing lots.
 
Hey I'm fairly new to F-Class myself. I've been shooting a little under a year and had the exact same questions you did. I got the same response from local shooters. My problem was accepting doing all the things they said to do it was how to prioritize all of them without overwhelming myself, which I did anyways.

Basically this is going to be expensive. Once you get past that it's a matter of picking A) The biggest consistency and/or accuracy gains and B) The most economical gains.

Biggest gains / Most expensive
1. Match Barrel: Krieger, Bartlein, Brux are the most represented
2. Best bullets. Most shoot Berger, Lapua's are supposed to be most consistent
3. Adequate trigger. Most are in the ounces. I'd say at least under 1lb.
4. Best brass. Most are shooting Lapua. You can probably keep shooting the Hornady brass for now and be fine. The other three are by far more important.

Most economical:
1. Powder - Use a QUALITY scale and weight all charges.
Use the right powder. Pick what other's have had the most success with and run a ladder or OCW test. If it doesn't work try the next most common powder. See what YOUR barrel likes.
2. Test seating depth, Test primers (I'd recommend BR primers)
3. You must trim deburr and chamfer all case mouths there is no argument here. WFT and Giraud make drill attachments for under $100
4. Primer pocket uniforming is cheap so why not.
5. Bullet sorting is cheap if not free and should help although minimally. Base to Ogive is arguably the more important method to sort. I can't honestly say.
6 Meplat trimming/Pointing is a little more expensive, but it works. Results will show at LR. It's minimal work for almost a 10% increase in BC. Look at the MCR trimmer ($100) and Pointing die is your pick ($200).
7. I wouldn't deburr flash holes unless it's really bad. Lapua, Norma, Nosler you may just hurt things.
8. I wouldn't anneal to start of. There's a learning curve and units can run $500. Some of the best shooters in Texas don't bother anymore.

I full length size. I use Whidden Bushing Die. Once I get everything completely tuned I'm going to get a set of dies custom honed to my chamber, which is probably completely unnecessary. Forster and Redding make good dies.

I'd start with a FL bushing die until you get proper neck tension figured out.

I do seat with a Wilson. Gains 0.001-0.002 Improvement in R/O. Probably not worth the effort starting out.
 
I am not an F-Class shooter, but I have to ask, why full length size?
Since I only use the brass in one specific gun, I neck size only with a Redding Competition bushing neck size die. How is full length sizing better?
 
I am not an F-Class shooter, but I have to ask, why full length size?
Since I only use the brass in one specific gun, I neck size only with a Redding Competition bushing neck size die. How is full length sizing better?

There are a couple of reasons. First is headspace consistency. If you shoot some that are tight in the chamber and others that are loose, you will likely find a minor difference in POI (although I have one rifle that doesn't care).

The second and more important is rifle reliability. Hard bolt operation, or stuck cartridges in the chamber are recipes for lost points. It is distracting and reduces your performance as a shooter. Taking extra time between shots can also cost dearly in choppy conditions. I've seen guys using hammers to get bolts open and they rarely shoot even into the middle of the pack.
 
As you can see, there will be subtle variations in different people's approaches on certain steps. On steps where pretty much everyone does something a certain way, there's usually a good reason. Here's my addition to the list (I shoot F-TR using no turn neck chambers):

FL or neck size? What dies do you use?
FL size using Redding Type S Competition dies and a bushing that is ~.002" under the loaded neck diameter. Not the most expensive dies available, but I've been very happy with the results.

Anneal? If so before or after sizing and how often?
Giraud annealing machine, I anneal every firing; basically, I deprive, clean (Thumbler's Tumbler w SS pins, hot water, Dawn detergent, Lemishine crystals, ~45 min), rinse well and dry 1-2 h in a food evaporator

Meplat trim bullets and tip them?
I sort every lot of bullets by OAL into sub-groups of ~.002" increments. I typically get 5-6 groups from a lot of bullets, although the longest and shortest group will usually have a few that are quite a bit longer/shorter. This sorting can be done away from the bench (i.e. while watching TV) very easily. It allows me to using the Whidden pointing die on bullets within a single length group without having to reset the micrometer. So far I have been very pleased with the results. I have the trimming tools, I just find trimming to be a PITA and have never been satisfied with the appearance of the points after trimming. I am also not convinced in my hands that the trimmed and pointed bullets provide any better results than length-sorted and pointed bullets. Shooting length-sorted/pointed bullets in matches side-by side with otherwise identically loaded unmodified bullets straight out of the box routinely shows not only a slight decrease in dialed elevation, but more importantly, tighter groups on the target. These results can be seen even at distances of only 300 yd.

Uniform flash holes and chamfer?

Uniform flash holes on all cases straight out of the box (prior to first firing, one time only).

Uniform primer pockets? If so after first firing or before?
Uniform primer pockets after first firing, and every firing thereafter.

Sort bullets by weight or from base to ogive length?
Bullets in a new lot are all weighed, but not as a "sorting step" per se. Rather, you're only looking to cull out any that show extreme deviation from the norm. Most will be in a fairly narrow range. Any gross outliers can be used as foulers/sighters. If bullet weight only varies in the 4th decimal place (or less), the theoretical effect on velocity will only be in the 4th decimal place (or less), so I tend not to worry about it. Extremely precise powder measurement (+/- one half kernel), meticulous brass prep (i.e. proper neck tension), proper primer selection for the specific powder/load, and uniform seating depth are the most important things, IMO. The many different lots of Berger bullets I have used have been extremely good with respect to weight variance.

Many people sort bullets base to ogive. I personally don't think this accomplishes much. What you're really controlling by doing this is the amount of bullet shank down in the case neck for bullets seated at the identical seating depth. I have found over time that I can move a jumped bullet by as much as .009" in either direction without changing the velocity (pressure changed caused by more/less shank in the case neck) enough that my chronograph can even reliably measure the difference. So I'm not a believer that sorting bullets base to ogive accomplishes much on that aspect, unless you're changing the seating depth by a fairly large increment. I believe uniform seating depth is far more important. Sorting base to ogive won't do anything with regard to uniform seating depth; you're measuring a region of the bullet outside the points where the seating die stem contacts the nose of the bullet and on the bullet ogive where your caliper inserts contacts. If you really want to sort bullets to improve uniformity in seating depth, Bob Green's Comparator tool sorts based on this region and will allow you to do that.

Bottom line is that consistency and uniformity are essential for a tuned load to perform reproducibly. As I mentioned, precise powder charges, the right primer, and consistent neck tension/seating depth will go a long way toward getting you where you want to be. These aspects do not always require the latest and most expensive equipment, either. I have had good success using the Redding dies and a simple Rockchucker press, certainly solid quality, but not nearly the most expensive equipment available. However, I am willing to spend the time to ensure that everything reloading step I do is absolutely the same, every time I do it, and that will pay off on the firing line.
 

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