New S&W 5.7 Pistol -- Thoughts?

[Waydeo]

What are your thoughts on the new S&W 5.7 pistol ?

Forum Boss: The round is officially FN 5.7x28mm.

Wiki Link: FN 5.7x28mm NATO
Here is the new Smith & Wesson pistol:

 

[joshb]

I wouldn’t buy one, but I have enough pistols. “New” sells!

 

[butchlambert]

My Grandson has a 5.7x28 that he bought a few years ago. It is an FN. He loves it. The first that I saw in that cartridge was a semi automatic rifle with a hundred round drum magazine that Turk Takano brought over. He was doing an article on it. Seems because of a coating on the brass it is hard to reload.

 

[butchlambert]

I wouldn’t buy one, but I have enough pistols. “New” sells!

S&W's version is new but the cartridge has been around a day or two. It was first introduced in 1990 and replaced the 9mm as the Nato round. They are loaded up to 3.000fps.

 

[joshb]

My Grandson has a 5.7x28 that he bought a few years ago. It is an FN. He loves it. The first that I saw in that cartridge was a semi automatic rifle with a hundred round drum magazine that Turk Takano brought over. He was doing an article on it. Seems because of a coating on the brass it is hard to reload.

The FN P90? I heard the Secret Service loves them. I almost bought one when they first came out, but went for the FS2000 instead.

 

[butchlambert]

The FN P90? I heard the Secret Service loves them.View attachment 1401832

Josh, The one that Turk brought over was not a bullpup type. I need to ask him what it happened to be.

 

[joshb]

Ok! Now I’m curious.
This?

 

[ebb]

They were demonstrated to the local sheriff's office, a bunch of years ago and I saw a little pile of empties at the range and then several more, I asked the Sherriff's deputy what it was. he tells me its a PDW that has almost no recoil and was demonstrated by the rep from FN. The LEO said he was very proud of the fact that it could penetrate a UN blue Kevlar helmet at 300yds. It would be good for a guy that reloads as it ejects from the bottom in a little pile easy to find and pick up.

 

[Waydeo]

P90 now were talking . Lol

 

[358WCF]

They are loaded up to 3.000fps.

Can regular folks buy that ammunition? All the stuff I've seen at the range is around 1425fps from a pistol. I chrono'ed some for a guy with a Ruger pistol. Not quite a 22 Hornet, little more than a 22LR.

No idea how the S&W works. The above Ruger functioned & fired without a hitch. My buddy bought a Kel-Tec space gun looking thing with a big magazine sandwiched in the middle. The cartridge does all kind of machinations going from vertical to horizontal before it can chamber. Weird. It had to go back for repairs after less than 100 rounds. Not all that impressed.

 

[Knotwild]

I have a friend that just bought a PSA 5.7 Rock. So far it's reliable, is more comfortable in the hand than a Ruger or FN, and seems to be nothing much more than a .22 mag rf. They are also big pistols, I wouldn't care to try to conceal one other than it's light. So, if you wanted something akin to a 22 mag, but more reliable since it's center fire and if you like big pistols, it should be perfect for you. He bought his with a Holosun 407K red dot on special for $599.

I put my Rugged Oculus on it and it was pretty quiet.

 

[butchlambert]

FN 5.7×28mm - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Minshooter]

Cut the rim off the fired 5.7 case. They fit perfectly in the RCBS Charge Master powder drop tube.

Serious question.
Does this work better than the MD straw trick?

 

[Minshooter]

I have a friend that just bought a PSA 5.7 Rock. So far it's reliable, is more comfortable in the hand than a Ruger or FN, and seems to be nothing much more than a .22 mag rf. They are also big pistols, I wouldn't care to try to conceal one other than it's light. So, if you wanted something akin to a 22 mag, but more reliable since it's center fire and if you like big pistols, it should be perfect for you. He bought his with a Holosun 407K red dot on special for $599.

I put my Rugged Oculus on it and it was pretty quiet.

The S&W was privately demonstrated last fall, and is possibly a reason for the recent PSA Rock deals.
Will be interested to see real world accuracy tests of the S&W. Manual safety option is a big plus, for me.

My Rock, with my 40gr V-max loads using AA#5 (because I have #5 on hand) stays under 2" @ 50 yards.
I'm loading about 100 fps below factory. Function is 100%, even with some polished (no lacquer) cases.
Yes, I could probably push a little higher, but happy enough with this accuracy to stay as is, for now.
FN SS197SR 40gr(V-Max) averages 1725 fps. Federal 40 FMJ averages 1685. (Out of two Rocks, @10 deg F).

The 5.7x28 is possibly the most PITA cartridge to load, for reasons discussed in the reloading forums.

 

[Dusty Stevens]

Doesnt the brass out of the FN stretch so much it cant be brought back safely is why they dont talk about reloading it much?

 

[Ray123]

Nope, ain't interested. Already have 5.56 & 9mm.
The 9mm in a carbine speed load does well at 2498 fps with 50 gr copper hollow points, or 1740 fps with 115 gr.
Plus the big war on the AR s & those types that "look dangerous" and High Capacity mags...new legislation limits us to 10 rds, so far...so whats the point?
One judge put a hold on the new law that "barley passed" for further consideration, or study.
"Narrowly passed" seems to be the telling key to the whole controlled mail in vote. Buy it legally today, next year its illegal to possess the same exact firearm, or magazine...or both.

 

[Brians356]

My Rock, with my 40gr V-max loads using AA#5 (because I have #5 on hand) stays under 2" @ 50 yards.
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FN SS197SR 40gr(V-Max) averages 1725 fps. Federal 40 FMJ averages 1685. (Out of two Rocks, @10 deg F).

The great old S&W Model 52 didn't leave the factory until it held its 38 Special wadcutter groups below 2" at 50 yards.

Upon noting the velocities of the 5.7x28 40-gr load I immediately thought "rimless, bottleneck, centerfire 22 WMR".
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[Minshooter]

The great old S&W Model 52 didn't leave the factory until it held its 38 Special wadcutter groups below 2" at 50 yards.

Upon noting the velocities of the 5.7x28 40-gr load I immediately thought "rimless, bottleneck, centerfire 22 WMR".
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Sub 2" at 50 is often claimed, but not as often delivered in the real world, outside of dedicated bullseye guns. I shot the Rocks in 10 degree, somewhat windy weather, over a couple of sandbags, with their not so great 4-5 lb triggers. I plan to do more tests when the nice weather returns, and in particular, some 100+ yard tests.
Not even claiming the Rock is the greatest 5.7, but for the price, it seems to be doing quite well.
Every 22WMR velocity table I've seen is for rifle length barrels, not a 5" pistol. I did some tests a long time
ago with WMR, and found the pistol lost around 300 fps over the rifle. This was before the V-max WMR
loads; I plan on testing those, too when that nice weather returns, which is June-October, in Minnesota.
Looking forward to the fun.
The S&W 5.7 should have a significant edge with their locking bolt system. Case stretch is ridiculous in
the blow back FN's -close to .100" shoulder stretch. The Rock is less than half that, but that's still a lot.
Ruger uses a barrel locking system similar to the Rock, so would expect a similar case stretch for both.

 

[Brians356]

Sub 2" at 50 is often claimed, but not as often delivered in the real world, outside of dedicated bullseye guns.

If you refer to Model 52s, I've never owned one. But they arguably were "dedicated bullseye guns." Layne Simpson recently wrote:

"Each Model 52 was accuracy-tested at the factory from a machine rest, and if one failed to place 10 bullets inside 2.0 inches from 50 yards, it was reworked until it did. During an endurance test, a Model 52 was still delivering the required accuracy after 125,000 rounds had been fired."

Simpson's own Model 52's average of "two or more 10-shot groups" from a Ransom Rest yielded 1.45" at 50 yards w/ Rem 148-gr HBWC factory loads. (FWIW that average could have included a 10-shot group larger than 2".)
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