Damon, I'm not real sure someone gave it to me yrs. ago. I then found a second one that was broken and grabbed it for parts if needed....
New Precision Turret Press from Area 419.
- Thread starter Hohn
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it pivots on the ball....
Area419Craig
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There is no simple metal on metal movement. It is all being managed by ball & thrust or self-lubricating linear sleeve bearings.
So yeah, it'll move.
You're right I just found an old one for sale, head looks identical...
powderbrake
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Come on guys, lets not shoot the messenger. Area 419 has a new product, let them get it on the market and the market will determine if they made the correct design choices. Why are so many deciding the design is incorrect? Area 419 knows that stuff about threads, die alignment,etc. Let them work out the details. They are putting their money where their mouth is, and if you don't like it, then don't buy it.
Sub atomic...… Zero……. GREAT advertising words, go ahead and use them to hype the product.
If they keep their descriptions and claims real, then no problem. I congratulate Area 419 for their innovative designs and their commitment to reloading. You guys know that their stuff looks really cool. Every engineer and machinist loves that "machined from bar stock" look.
Now for the "machinist is better than a young engineer" talk. Remember that machinist had spent many years learning his trade to become a good machinist, and learning the techniques he needed to produce a quality part. Also remember that young engineer is just that. He has yet to get the years of experience it takes to be a good engineer (or machinist). Give him the same amount of time on the job, and he will learn as well.
There are good engineers and bad engineers, and there are good machinists and bad machinists. Everybody in the shop knew which ones they were, and I fired the bad engineers and the bad machinists. Lets not generalize the engineers and machinists.
I was that young engineer 60 years ago, so I know what you mean. It took time to learn how to design and make good parts, and the engineering job was broader than just machining parts. I learned, and eventually I had a shop with a lot of CNC equipment and manual equipment, and I could run it or repair it.
Sub atomic...… Zero……. GREAT advertising words, go ahead and use them to hype the product.
If they keep their descriptions and claims real, then no problem. I congratulate Area 419 for their innovative designs and their commitment to reloading. You guys know that their stuff looks really cool. Every engineer and machinist loves that "machined from bar stock" look.
Now for the "machinist is better than a young engineer" talk. Remember that machinist had spent many years learning his trade to become a good machinist, and learning the techniques he needed to produce a quality part. Also remember that young engineer is just that. He has yet to get the years of experience it takes to be a good engineer (or machinist). Give him the same amount of time on the job, and he will learn as well.
There are good engineers and bad engineers, and there are good machinists and bad machinists. Everybody in the shop knew which ones they were, and I fired the bad engineers and the bad machinists. Lets not generalize the engineers and machinists.
I was that young engineer 60 years ago, so I know what you mean. It took time to learn how to design and make good parts, and the engineering job was broader than just machining parts. I learned, and eventually I had a shop with a lot of CNC equipment and manual equipment, and I could run it or repair it.
RegionRat
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Can you talk for a minute on the pro/cons of ball bearings in the press?
Area419Craig
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Simply, they allow us to nearly eliminate slop in the connections between the press/linkage system and retain smooth motion. This will keep forces in line, and will enhance the feel the reloader is able to get at the handle. When combined with the adjustable handle you're going to get more pressure into the case easier, and you're going to get a finer feel when seating.
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I am amazed at all the naysayers. Of course they have ZERO credibility because they have not used the press. Theory and experienced based speculation are fine, but nothing counts as much as real world results.
To that end let's wait until some folks give this press a try before saying it's junk or isn't worth it. I just ordered a Prazipress, and I'll bet the Area 419 Turret press would be a great complement.
We should encourage innovation and appreciate what these guys do.....
To that end let's wait until some folks give this press a try before saying it's junk or isn't worth it. I just ordered a Prazipress, and I'll bet the Area 419 Turret press would be a great complement.
We should encourage innovation and appreciate what these guys do.....
[QUOTE="damoncali, post: 37768461]. Lee does a good job on that (I really wish they'd make a high end line - Lee does solid engineering/design work, they just make everything so cheap.). Not so much for the others.[/QUOTE]
Agree, and making cheap things remotely viable is an engineering achievement of its own.
Agree, and making cheap things remotely viable is an engineering achievement of its own.
piaa1209
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Very well said powerbrake
jackieschmidt
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I guess I will have to can all of those cheap Partner Presses I use and get some of these.
I have a RCBS Partner for every die. I never take the die out.
This is a nice product.
I have a RCBS Partner for every die. I never take the die out.
This is a nice product.
I'll probably never own one, but it looks like a beautiful machine. 419 doesn't put out junk, so I'm sure they put in their time doing the R&D and engineering.
what I would ask is "Is my current ammo consistent and concentric and if not why" ? I am pretty sure that most of the posters here can already put out ammo that is capable of more accuracy than we can shoot. Once something is reasonably concentric and consistent it reaches a point where you get diminishing returns on the further investment
I tend to be a need buyer not a want buyer. What I ask is what need would this fill. I am really satisfied with the ammo I currently make and would spending a couple of thousand on this press make my reloading procedure easier and how much would it increase my X count. I am sure that having this press on my bench would be the envy of all my shooting buddies and impress all the forum posters but I would rather use that money to build ammo to practice with and hopefully impress my fellow shooters one day with my X count, not the bling on my reloading bench lol
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There is more to a reloading press design than just accurate ammo. There is also convenience and time savings. Being able to have 9 dies mounted at once would save a huge amount of time. Especially if such time savings didn't compromise the quality of the produced ammo. Some people may not care about such time savings, but to other people, time is their most valuable commodity and so this press provides significant benefits.
A lot of people are saying what they really care about is accurate ammo. But, the most accurate ammo tends to be made on an arbor press with inline dies, and these same people don't use that system because it is slow with lots of hand operations. In other words, many who say all they care about is accuracy, actually do care about convenience, too.
A lot of people are saying what they really care about is accurate ammo. But, the most accurate ammo tends to be made on an arbor press with inline dies, and these same people don't use that system because it is slow with lots of hand operations. In other words, many who say all they care about is accuracy, actually do care about convenience, too.
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And enjoyment during use. People don't need nice watches or luxury cars, but there's a market for it.
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If you think having eight dies mounted try having thirty two (or more) mounted and pre adjusted.
Last year I went back to the humble Lee 4 hole turret. At $15 per turret I can afford to have seperate turrets set up for five different rifle cartridges and three for pistol cartridges. I use it as a single stage for rifle and can change the shellholder and turret and go from .260 to 6 Br to 45 ACP in only a few seconds. I use it as a single stage for my precision rifle rounds and with pistol or AR plinking fodder I go auto index and use it as a turret. Less than $300 spent and I am setup where I change between eight different cartridges in a few seconds per change
If I ever need to do any heavy duty case forming I can pull my Rockcrusher out but for 99.9% of my loading that Lee puts out ammo that shoots better than I can. Consistent and concentric
which is why Area 419 can sell $70 powder cups. I feel no need to impress others, I just want to improve my shooting ability
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