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johara1 said:Tony, yes it can, but do you think they will ? I had no luck with a March and they will not get me again.......jim
johara1 said:Tony, I had problems with my March. Impact shift, and it was not as clear as my NF. Kelblys sent it back and the impact shift was cured but i still could not see 6mm holes at 500yds but i could with NF.I now have 3 NXS scope on my BR rifles.......jim
I am also a sling prone competitor and I think that 1/4 moa windage adjustments are too large for 1000yd and would like to see 1/2 moa. Also there is not enough windage for the windy days on the range.e.g. when winds are more than 15mph.1shot said:To Mikecr,
Thank you for making me realize that I was focused on only my particular shooting discipline being L-R sling prone, and not looking at the needs of all shooters. ... In regards to the .125 vs. .250 adjustments, when you are working with 2 MOA scoring rings, you hardly ever make a single .250 adjustment, more likely a 1/2 MOA, so again, the .125 adjustment is just a PITA for my application.
Thanks for making me think of the bigger picture,
Lloyd
Steve,steve_podleski said:I am also a sling prone competitor and I think that 1/4 moa windage adjustments are too large for 1000yd and would like to see 1/2 moa. Also there is not enough windage for the windy days on the range.e.g. when winds are more than 15mph.1shot said:To Mikecr,
Thank you for making me realize that I was focused on only my particular shooting discipline being L-R sling prone, and not looking at the needs of all shooters. ... In regards to the .125 vs. .250 adjustments, when you are working with 2 MOA scoring rings, you hardly ever make a single .250 adjustment, more likely a 1/2 MOA, so again, the .125 adjustment is just a PITA for my application.
Thanks for making me think of the bigger picture,
Lloyd
Also Nightforce has no suitable reticle for this game. The prone position with a sling does not allow a rock-steady hold so the sight picture will bounce with your pulse and it's hard to see a thin reticle bouncing in the black. I have one 12-42x56 scope modified with the FC2 reticle which is the best reticle available for my eyes giving a .4moa dot but this reticle has been dropped by Nightforce. I think that Nightforce is now concentrating on its military, law enforcement customers and tactical crowd, i.e. the people with the money.
Steve,bozo699 said:I am also a sling prone competitor and I think that 1/4 moa windage adjustments are too large for 1000yd and would like to see 1/2 moa. Also there is not enough windage for the windy days on the range.e.g. when winds are more than 15mph.
I agree that with no wind 1/8moa is good for an F-Class target but 1/4 is enough for the standard NRA target. But at the range that I should, Rattlenake, the wind almost always blows even on relay 1. Many of the Palma iron-sight competitors use the 1/2 moa windage version of Warner sight. I do not think that many people can judge wind within 1/2 moa, let alone 1/8 moa. If you click for wind change, 1/8moa is a bear. Also for older eyes, seeing the hash marks on the turrets is very difficult and frustrating. I think the 1/8 moa is probably great for the shorter ranges and milder winds.steve_podleski said:Steve,bozo699 said:I am also a sling prone competitor and I think that 1/4 moa windage adjustments are too large for 1000yd and would like to see 1/2 moa. Also there is not enough windage for the windy days on the range.e.g. when winds are more than 15mph.
If 1/4 moa is to large of a adjustment at 1K (2.5") then WHY would you want to go larger?....1/2 moa?...(5") I don't understand that theory,..please explain.
Wayne.
P.S when there is no wind,..( first match of the day) the 1/8 moa is really nice IMO 1 1/4" per click at 1K, I for one like hitting the X with out holding,
(guessing)
steve_podleski said:I do not think that many people can judge wind within 1/2 moa, let alone 1/8 moa. If you click for wind change, 1/8moa is a bear. Also for older eyes, seeing the hash marks on the turrets is very difficult and frustrating. I think the 1/8 moa is probably great for the shorter ranges and milder winds.
Great shooting, Steve. I envy the people who can read wind within 1/2 moa especially in 12-14mph winds. Maybe the type of cartridge may determine the effect of wind change. For Palma, it used to be that 1/2 moa equated to 1/2mph of wind; maybe with the high bc 7mm bullets that F-Class people are now using, 1/2 moa may be a 1mph wind and even reading a 1mph change in high wind condition is quite a feat.sleepygator said:Steve,
I shoot F-Class with more than a few folks who routinely judge within 1/2 MOA. Our X-ring is 1/2 MOA. At the 29 Palms Long Range Regional, I shot 38% X. At the Arizona Palma Championship, it was 40% X. The tournaments were 5 20X1000 and 3 Palma, respectively. My 1323-54X in Phoenix was only good enough for second place. Sunday morning, first relay at 800, I had a 12-14 mph gusting headwind at 38°F. Both locations are western desert and quite windy. It is worth noting that I did not shoot an "8" in either tournament. Our "9" ring is 2 MOA. What I shot is not exceptional, only what is required to be at or near the top of the F-Open leaderboard.
My old eyes can see the turrets well enough and I do not wear corrective lenses when shooting. F-Class is a different game than sling High Power. It is all about precision. But, we shoot under the same conditions and constraints. As you correctly noted, what is right for one game may not be right for another.
FroggyOne2 said:1/8 might be ok for a "smallbore" gun, but for anything NRA Highpower wise. No!