New Garmin Xero C1 Radar Chronograph

[xr650rRider]

Any specs on what matters most - measurement accuracy?

How Accurate is the Garmin Xero C1 Pro?​

Chronographs are only useful in as far as they provide accurate results. Garmin offers an accuracy claim saying that the speeds it records will be within .1 percent of their actual value. That means for a projectile going 3000 fps, the margin of error is 3 fps.

My own testing showed the Garmin Xero C1 Pro spitting out results that mirrored my LabRadar, which I’ve relied on to give me accurate data for ELR matches and other long-range competitions.

For instance, the first groups I put over it was with my Gunwerks Nexus in 6.5 PRC. I was shooting a batch of Hornady 147-grain ELD-Ms. From the Labradar the ten shots gave an average MV or 2767 fps, an ES of 66 and an SD of 21.5. The Garmin gave an MV of 2767.8, an ES of 71 and an SD of 21.3.

That satisfied me, but I got a much stronger and more telling testimonial from the ballistic engineering team at Hornady. They have a spendy radar setup used to create the profiles for their 4DOF ballistic solver and for testing various projectiles. For the past couple months they’ve been running a couple pre-production Xeros against their radar and have reported that the velocity figures are essentially identical. That should set the mind of even the crustiest skeptic at ease.

https://www.outdoorlife.com/gear/garmin-xero-c1-pro-review/

 

[Tesoro]

Labradar might as well close up shop

They will have to. And declare bankrupcy to not have to deal with warranties and support. Hate to see this happen but thats life and death in the tech world.

 

[TylerFromMS]

Labradar might as well close up shop

They made a groundbreaking product and just seems like they stopped innovating. The app was kind of trash. They could have been working on another unit to address some of the issues people were having. Maybe they were? Who knows? But I never heard about any new things coming down the pipeline from them.

Think about the AMP guys… they introduced a press as an accomplice to their device. Adam refined the autotrickler and updates shotmarker and app. It sucks because they were always able to help out in a hurry for me if I was having issues.

 

[LVLAaron]

Yep. Labradar was an revolutionary invention.... And now it's being killed by lack of evolution.

LR is long overdue for an update.

Bluetooth never worked for LR... which pissed a lot of people off when they started selling a non-bluetooth version for less money.

 

[Drewel]

I live close enough to Midway. I ordered one and drove up and picked it up.

They are smaller than I expected….
The little tripod comes with it. All in all looks to be a pretty nice unit.

The app loaded to my phone easy.

The set up was extremely easy.

I had no problems pairing it with my phone.

Now I can’t get the range till this weekend

 

[Willow]

Dropped the hammer on one of these today - they are not in the wild in Australia so I've ordered from the US and while I'm fairly happy with my Labradar...the practical demonstrations of the Garmin and the portability make it a very attractive option.

 

[FNSafari]

Yep. Labradar was an revolutionary invention.... And now it's being killed by lack of evolution.

LR is long overdue for an update.

Bluetooth never worked for LR... which pissed a lot of people off when they started selling a non-bluetooth version for less money.

You are absolutely correct. Think BlackBerry

 

[dgeesaman]

Will be released on or around October 15 for $600.

It is everything and more you expect a chrono to be. It will be, without a doubt, a serious contender to every current Chrono on the market.

Preorder sold out

Garmin Xero C1 Pro Chronograph

The Xero® C1 Pro chronograph makes ballistics calculations easy. This compact device fits in your back pocket, measures projectile velocities from 100 fps to 5,000 fps and provides the data you need to refine your equipment. Setup is simple and intuitive, thanks to the button-operated design...

www.area419.com

I expect a radar based chronograph to tell me downrange velocity like LabRadar does. It appears the Garmin does not.

David

 

[LVLAaron]

Move the garmin down range and it will tell you the speed.


What practical application did you get out of the labradar "downrange" readings?

 

[majohnson]

a typical small firearm company, these specs would just be all over the place and the launch date would get really

 

[Jeff Porter]

I expect a radar based chronograph to tell me downrange velocity like LabRadar does. It appears the Garmin does not.

David

Kind of like Obamacare.... If you like your Labradar , you can keep your labradar.....

 

[PatMiles]

The one issue that will be a deal killer for me is the fact that the internal battery is not replaceable by Garmin if it goes tango uniform. According to Jordan, in a live chat, the only option is to buy another unit.
Yes my LabRadar isn't perfect, yes it is a large unit but I like the fact that the external battery can be replaced in minutes to extend the life of the unit compared to the Garmin.

 

[WyleWD]

I wonder if the Garmin will (reliably) pick up high velocity, (over 4000fps)17 and 20 caliber bullets??? I can't seem to find any information on that. Just curious. WD

 

[Tesoro]

The one issue that will be a deal killer for me is the fact that the internal battery is not replaceable by Garmin if it goes tango uniform. According to Jordan, in a live chat, the only option is to buy another unit.
Yes my LabRadar isn't perfect, yes it is a large unit but I like the fact that the external battery can be replaced in minutes to extend the life of the unit compared to the Garmin.

Battery tech is something else now. We are nearly in 2024 not 2004! My iphone is over 3 years old and battery has been discharged and recharged every day since then and it is still as good as new. Imagine the amount of shooting you would have to crono to match that! Garmin is going to use the best battery tech out there.

 

[Knotwild]

I want one because you all want one.

 

[Ccrider]

The one issue that will be a deal killer for me is the fact that the internal battery is not replaceable by Garmin if it goes tango uniform. According to Jordan, in a live chat, the only option is to buy another unit.
Yes my LabRadar isn't perfect, yes it is a large unit but I like the fact that the external battery can be replaced in minutes to extend the life of the unit compared to the Garmin.

As feedback comes in, Garmin will continue to improve this product. My guess is they already have improvements planned.

My LabRadar does what I need it to do. While I am tempted, I am going to wait to see what the paint looks like dry before I change anything.

 

[Tesoro]

I have an optical chronograph and a MagnetoSpeed that I use after load tuning to measure bullet velocity. What advantage(s) are there to using a chronograph on a regular basis? I’m having a hard time justifying spending the money for a radar based unit!

I would guess that the justification is auto for long range F class type shooters who need to be able to do two things at once: first being to hit target center by adjusting for the effects of wind and second to be able to hit target center by rolling up very precise ammo. They need to monitor their shot speeds to check their loads/tecchniques as excessive variance in velocity will cause vertical dispersion of their shots off the poa. Not good.

 

[LVLAaron]

I have an optical chronograph and a MagnetoSpeed that I use after load tuning to measure bullet velocity. What advantage(s) are there to using a chronograph on a regular basis? I’m having a hard time justifying spending the money for a radar based unit!

I always use one if I'm practicing. If a shot goes high/low - I can check the velocity and see if it was an ammo problem... or a wind/me problem.

 

[Scalloper]

Midsouth still has some

It has been 20 hrs since I placed my order and they have not sent me an email confirmation or taken the money out of my account. Looks like they are sold out.

 

[Tesoro]

Found this: Nearly 10 years old!! that is like 50 years in 'technology years'

https://forum.accurateshooter.com/t...w-labradar-doppler-radar-chronograph.3867416/