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Anyone know if the bag with the big ears has been approved for IBS? NBRSA has made it legal.
Anyone know if the bag with the big ears has been approved for IBS? NBRSA has made it legal.
New "EDGE" bag legal for IBS?
- Thread starter John Rambo
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Donavan pretty much repeated what I would have said thanks Donavan.PS that's probably the first time he an I agreed on anything lol.
Alex Wheeler
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Bags are not illegal (so long as they meet for/aft dimensions and all commonly available do) Its how they are used that can be a problem. While that bag is legal, it will be very hard to use it and be legal. Its going to have more than 1/2" of vertical contact as well as trap the gun unless you do some tinkering.
BountyHunter
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Line 1223 "Rifles will be removable from their front rests without lifting any part of the front rest from its contact points with the bench it is occupying."
Above is the new rule explanation in Rule Book 13. If you are running a Seb Max at 40 lbs it is going to take a hell of a lot to lift that rest "off the bench". Add a 25 lb bag of lead shot and as long as you maintain the 1/2 inch, it it can be locked down pretty damn tight now before lifting 60 plus lbs.
The Edge ears are probably going to make contact more than 1/2 inch, but your stock may differ, particularily if someone is running a 4 or 5 inch foreend and the outside edges are away from the main barrel channel part of the stock.
That was a significant change by the LRC that most did not catch before voting on it and just one of many.
Above is the new rule explanation in Rule Book 13. If you are running a Seb Max at 40 lbs it is going to take a hell of a lot to lift that rest "off the bench". Add a 25 lb bag of lead shot and as long as you maintain the 1/2 inch, it it can be locked down pretty damn tight now before lifting 60 plus lbs.
The Edge ears are probably going to make contact more than 1/2 inch, but your stock may differ, particularily if someone is running a 4 or 5 inch foreend and the outside edges are away from the main barrel channel part of the stock.
That was a significant change by the LRC that most did not catch before voting on it and just one of many.
CaptainMal
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Most all of the stocks I see are flared out at the bottom with only a 1/2" or less of contact possible. Doubt many are straight up flat on the sides. If so, lift it up and the rest stays right there. Legal.
dmoran
Donovan Moran
@Joe Salt
The OP is asking if the bag is legal for IBS. You quoted Penn1000 rules, which is different then the IBS's (and are not comparable to what could be deemed legal or not).
Here is IBS-600/1000:
"Whenever the rifle makes contact on its sides, there may be a maximum of sand one-half inch high and a minimum of one-half thick on each side.
No device of any kind can restrict the upward and/or rearward movement of the rifle.
Rifles will be removable from their front rests without lifting any part of the front rest from its contact points with the bench it is occupying."
From which I believe there is some stock designs being used in the IBS (and NBRSA) that would not be legal under Penn1000 rules, do to the indifference's in the wording to each set of rules.
Donovan
The OP is asking if the bag is legal for IBS. You quoted Penn1000 rules, which is different then the IBS's (and are not comparable to what could be deemed legal or not).
Here is IBS-600/1000:
"Whenever the rifle makes contact on its sides, there may be a maximum of sand one-half inch high and a minimum of one-half thick on each side.
No device of any kind can restrict the upward and/or rearward movement of the rifle.
Rifles will be removable from their front rests without lifting any part of the front rest from its contact points with the bench it is occupying."
From which I believe there is some stock designs being used in the IBS (and NBRSA) that would not be legal under Penn1000 rules, do to the indifference's in the wording to each set of rules.
Donovan
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tclaunch
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Copy\paste from IBS rulebook #13.
Sandbag. A sand bag is defined as a bag with or without a pedestal, with a leather, cloth or synthetic cover that is capable of being easily flexed by the fingers. They may contain a dry finely divided nonmetallic substance such as, but not limited to, “Heavy Sand”, sand, gravel or grain, without additive and packed loosely enough that bag can be easily deformed by pressure of the fingers. The cover of the sand bags must not be bound in such a manner to prohibit free movement of the contents. Lubricants on the sand bag may be used. Front and rear rest sandbags must be such that when lifting the rifle from the rests, the rests does not lose any contact from the bench it is occupying. Vertical spacers under a rear bag are allowed as long as they do not contain any protrusions which can be inserted into the bench top or a sandbag.
Sandbag. A sand bag is defined as a bag with or without a pedestal, with a leather, cloth or synthetic cover that is capable of being easily flexed by the fingers. They may contain a dry finely divided nonmetallic substance such as, but not limited to, “Heavy Sand”, sand, gravel or grain, without additive and packed loosely enough that bag can be easily deformed by pressure of the fingers. The cover of the sand bags must not be bound in such a manner to prohibit free movement of the contents. Lubricants on the sand bag may be used. Front and rear rest sandbags must be such that when lifting the rifle from the rests, the rests does not lose any contact from the bench it is occupying. Vertical spacers under a rear bag are allowed as long as they do not contain any protrusions which can be inserted into the bench top or a sandbag.
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I don't see the bag as being legal for IBS 600 & 1,000 yard competition because of the way the ears curve inward and would "restrict" the upward movement of the rifle.
Well if a shooter is a respectable person that wants to comply with the rules an this is the only front sandbag he had he would make sure he was in compliance with the rules regardless of how tall his ears were it is called improvise overcome an adapt an if he shows up at a match referees will be watching.
Donovan I guarantee you IBS & PA are the same rules or should I say mean the same thing, ( Have to watch the way I say thing people take things like your pissed or something) IBS took our rules back in the 90's when there 1000 yard matches started in North Carolina & Virginia! If there is a half inch of sand under the rifle and it can be lifted upward without disturbing the rest it's legal! Did you have a stock in mind that couldn't do that. They just don't want you to trap the stock buy squeezing the ears in on the stock. Stopping upward or rearward movement.
Joe Salt
Joe Salt
You only need to worry about it if you plan on winning regular.
Lord I apologize!
Tom Have you see anyone DQ'd because of this rule, I haven't! Like I always say break a record and then well check. I'm on our rules committee and I worry more about people getting DQ"d because of a double shot not being found than bag rules. Another thing that pisses me off is that they keep wanting to change the damn rules. leave them alone and shoot!
Joe Salt
Joe Salt
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