New Brass prep service offering.

[Black Sheep]

OCD Brass, LLC

Hello all,

Retirement was going smoothly if not a little boring until a friend introduced me to F Class and bench rest competitions along with precision reloading. Since that time, it has been many things but never boring. Now a short year later with most of my retirement nest egg having gone up in smokeless powder, bullets, rifles and reloading equipment I thought it’d be a good idea to start a business in the shooting sports. While still being retired I’ll be traveling to competitions, to see family and taking the wife on an occasional vacation. That being said I’ve started a brass prep business and would like to offer my services here on this forum. At this time, I can offer services such as:

Turning inside and outside necks with an AUTODOD.

Turning the inside of the neck only with an AUTODOD.

Chamfering on a Giraud trimmer.

Annealing using an Amp Annealer.

OCD Brass, LLC is a new company so I may not have the required tooling (mainly case holders) for your specific brand/caliber of brass. When we discuss your work, make sure that you tell me what brand and caliber you’re wanting done so that I can get the holder bought if I don’t already have it.



Thank you and have a great day,
Chris

 

[K22]

Regarding "nest eggs":

It's only "green paper."
He who has the most "toys" in the end wins.
You can't take it with you so you might as well enjoy it on this side before you cross over.
Spend it before the government takes it.
You only live once, once is enough if you do it right.

Hopefully this makes you feel better about spending nest eggs.

 

[Black Sheep]

Regarding "nest eggs":

It's only "green paper."
He has the most "toys" in the end wins.
You can't take it with you so you might as well enjoy it on this side before your cross over.
Spend it before the government takes it.
You only live once, once is enough if you do it right.

Hopefully this makes you feel better about spending nest eggs.

I'll run this by my wife, but pretty sure that won't go in my favor!

 

[jackieschmidt]

I am not trying to be negative, and I commend your efforts in your retirement. I have been involved with this for decades. I see a lot of ideas come and go.

So, a question.

”Why would you turn, (bore), the inside of a neck, especially without turning the OD either on the same setup or on a mandrel”.?
The only reason for turning necks is to decrease the wall thickness to allow the loaded round fit a specific chamber while at the same time uniforming the wall thickness.

 

[Black Sheep]

I am not trying to be negative, and I commend your efforts in your retirement. I have been involved with this for decades. I see a lot of ideas come and go.

So, a question.

”Why would you turn, (bore), the inside of a neck, especially without turning the OD either on the same setup or on a mandrel”.?
The only reason for turning necks is to degrease the wall thickness to allow the loaded round fit a specific chamber while at the same time uniforming the wall thickness.

Actually decreasing the neck wall thickness is not the only reason to turn necks. Turning the inside of the neck should smooth out the bullet neck mating surface. This should make the bullet seating and release smoother and more consistent. A big part of precision reloading is being able to control consistency.

 

[boltfluter]

I am not trying to be negative, and I commend your efforts in your retirement. I have been involved with this for decades. I see a lot of ideas come and go.

So, a question.

”Why would you turn, (bore), the inside of a neck, especially without turning the OD either on the same setup or on a mandrel”.?
The only reason for turning necks is to degrease the wall thickness to allow the loaded round fit a specific chamber while at the same time uniforming the wall thickness.

With all due respect, Jackie is correct. The only time one needs to bore a case is if you make something like a Waldog case, where you have a neck that is composed of half neck and half shoulder. What a pain in the a$$! Lol. Good luck with your new business.
Paul

 

[Big Mc]

OCD Brass, LLC

Hello all,

Retirement was going smoothly if not a little boring until a friend introduced me to F Class and bench rest competitions along with precision reloading. Since that time, it has been many things but never boring. Now a short year later with most of my retirement nest egg having gone up in smokeless powder, bullets, rifles and reloading equipment I thought it’d be a good idea to start a business in the shooting sports. While still being retired I’ll be traveling to competitions, to see family and taking the wife on an occasional vacation. That being said I’ve started a brass prep business and would like to offer my services here on this forum. At this time, I can offer services such as:

Turning inside and outside necks with an AUTODOD.

Turning the inside of the neck only with an AUTODOD.

Chamfering on a Giraud trimmer.

Annealing using an Amp Annealer.

OCD Brass, LLC is a new company so I may not have the required tooling (mainly case holders) for your specific brand/caliber of brass. When we discuss your work, make sure that you tell me what brand and caliber you’re wanting done so that I can get the holder bought if I don’t already have it.

If you would like to discuss using and receive pricing for my services, please email me @: ocdbrass@gmail.com

Thank you and have a great day,
Chris

What Jack and Paul both said. Tommy Mc

 

[jackieschmidt]

Actually decreasing the neck wall thickness is not the only reason to turn necks. Turning the inside of the neck should smooth out the bullet neck mating surface. This should make the bullet seating and release smoother and more consistent. A big part of precision reloading is being able to control consistency.

To the contrary, the burnished surface inside the neck is ideal for bullet seating, especially after you run it over some type of hardened expanding mandrel such as used on a simple hand turner.

You can take this as just my opinion, but the tooling you have chosen, while being the latest in high tech options, is inferior in all aspects of neck turning except possibly speed.

In order to insure a perfect wall thickness, you HAVE to utilize the OD and ID cutting feature on the same set up. By doing this you are in reality producing an inferior surface finish on the neck’s ID.

If I were to enter into a commercial neck turning endeavor, this would not be my equipment of choice. Customers will be asking the exact same questions I am and raising the same concerns.

I seriously doubt that I am in the minority on this matter.

 

[Jayplace]

I have always thought the reason to turn the inside of the neck was to eliminate the ridge inside the neck that formed when cases are re-formed from one caliber to another, as in going from 6 BR to 30BR. Is that not correct?

 

[Black Sheep]

To the contrary, the burnished surface inside the neck is ideal for bullet seating, especially after you run it over some type of hardened expanding mandrel such as used on a simple hand turner.

You can take this as just my opinion, but the tooling you have chosen, while being the latest in high tech options, is inferior in all aspects of neck turning except possibly speed.

In order to insure a perfect wall thickness, you HAVE to utilize the OD and ID cutting feature on the same set up. By doing this you are in reality producing an inferior surface finish on the neck’s ID.

If I were to enter into a commercial neck turning endeavor, this would not be my equipment of choice. Customers will be asking the exact same questions I am and raising the same concerns.

I seriously doubt that I am in the minority on this matter.

I do not have years and years of experience in competitive shooting or precision reloading and that may be a bad thing however, that may also be a good thing. I tend to research things and come to my own conclusions and not just follow the crowd because that's the way it has always been done. If we refuse to explore new things/options/methods then we can never hope to improve past a certain point. Every one of us is allowed to have our own opinion (except for in politics, that's not allowed). You have your opinion and I have mine and just because they are different doesn't make either one of us wrong. I'm not trying to convince anyone that my way is the only way to go, I'm just offering a service that I believe in for people who would rather use a service than buy the equipment.

Have a great day,
Chris

 

[Black Sheep]

I have always thought the reason to turn the inside of the neck was to eliminate the ridge inside the neck that formed when cases are re-formed from one caliber to another, as in going from 6 BR to 30BR. Is that not correct?

Turning the inside of the neck is one way to get rid of the donut.

 

[jackieschmidt]

Turning the inside of the neck is one way to get rid of the donut.

But, as any competitor will attest, it will reappear after a few firings And resizings.
The vast majority of shooters involved in any extreme accuracy Discipline will have chambers with throats that allow for seating depths that make the donut a non issue.
when shooters are regulating neck tensions down to the “nth” degree, you stay as far away from the donut as practical.

I disagree with your assessment of opinion. like many of the members here on Accurateshooter.com, I base my statements on years of experience dealing with subjects exactly like we are discussing.

One important aspect of entering into a business is to know the clientele and their demands. They are the ones who will asking the questions.

 

[Bugs]

did you ever see a Brinks truck following a hearse ? ? ?

 

[michaeljp65]

You may run into problems with a case that has been necked up, say from a 6Br up to 30Br. Because the neck is not concentric it will wobble when turning in the idod and give an uneven cut. I know this as i had an IDOD and this is why i sold it. Unless you can fireform the case before turning you to will have this issue. But good luck with your venture. Perhaps you should also buy an AMP annealer as part of your service.

 

[Benchrest Braxton]

You may run into problems with a case that has been necked up, say from a 6Br up to 30Br. Because the neck is not concentric it will wobble when turning in the idod and give an uneven cut. I know this as i had an IDOD and this is why i sold it. Unless you can fireform the case before turning you to will have this issue. But good luck with your venture. Perhaps you should also buy an AMP annealer as part of your service.

couldn’t you have run your necked up brass through a full length die to straighten the necks out and then turn?

he stated he has an amp annealer in the OP

 

[boltfluter]

But, as any competitor will attest, it will reappear after a few firings And resizings.
The vast majority of shooters involved in any extreme accuracy Discipline will have chambers with throats that allow for seating depths that make the donut a non issue.
when shooters are regulating neck tensions down to the “nth” degree, you stay as far away from the donut as practical.

I disagree with your assessment of opinion. like many of the members here on Accurateshooter.com, I base my statements on years of experience dealing with subjects exactly like we are discussing.

One important aspect of entering into a business is to know the clientele and their demands. They are the ones who will asking the questions.

Jackie is spot on. Respectfully, we are just trying to get you pointed in the right direction and make your small business a success. You have some of the best shooters in the country offering their expertise to try and educate you about your business. Much of what is being said is tried and true over many decades. As you mentioned, you are fairly new to shooting. So, do some serious research and above else have an open mind. Good luck with your new business endeavor.
Paul

 

[jimmymac]

Well said!

 

[Minshooter]

did you ever see a Brinks truck following a hearse ? ? ?

Nope. Just Attorneys.

Reminds me of Richard Prior's:
"I don't know about you, but I ain't never yet seen a hearse towing a U-Haul."

My brother used to say:
"If they meant for you to never spend your money, and just carry it around, they'd put handles on it."

 

[Lucky Shooter]

How about ?----"I ain't never seen a shroud with pockets on it."

A. Weldy

 

[michaeljp65]

couldn’t you have run your necked up brass through a full length die to straighten the necks out and then turn?

he stated he has an amp annealer in the OP

I tried running them through my fll bushing die with various sized bushings, but it didnt work as well as i had hoped. There was still an amount of wobble which ruined the brass in the IDOD. Also, you can still run the IDOD without inside neck turning.