New Barrel - Borescoped

[LVLAaron]

At some point you have to make a living. After doing all the CYA, and then there is shipping and their stuff, and it getting destroyed or lost (which ultimately be on the gunsmith too). Dealing with ATF stuff, etc etc by the time you get done you have cut your labor rate in half and the stress rate is tripled.

Totally fair. I'm not doing high volume. I offer a boutique shopping experience. Hahaha

 

[STS]

I recently had an experience where someone sent me a barrel to have them make into a prefit for them. I didn't check the barrel I didn't really care they sent it to me I did my work and sent it back. And then they made claims that there were flaws inside the barrel. I told him it was his barrel and I didn't boriscope it for flaws He sent it to me.

And then I realized what an incredibly precarious situation you would be in receiving people's barrels and chambering them and then returning them to the customer and then the customer can make any kind of claim they make afterwards and say you did it. I'm not really sure I want to chamber anymore barrels from blanks that people provide to me because it simply their word against mine in the end.

Borescope it before you do any work on it and refuse the job if you find a defect in the barrel.

 

[AlNyhus]

Borescope it before you do any work on it and refuse the job if you find a defect in the barrel.

Bingo. -Al

 

[L.Sherm]

Borescope it before you do any work on it and refuse the job if you find a defect in the barrel.

In my opinion this should be SOP

 

[338 Mollett]

I recently had an experience where someone sent me a barrel to have them make into a prefit for them. I didn't check the barrel I didn't really care they sent it to me I did my work and sent it back. And then they made claims that there were flaws inside the barrel. I told him it was his barrel and I didn't boriscope it for flaws He sent it to me.

And then I realized what an incredibly precarious situation you would be in receiving people's barrels and chambering them and then returning them to the customer and then the customer can make any kind of claim they make afterwards and say you did it. I'm not really sure I want to chamber anymore barrels from blanks that people provide to me because it simply their word against mine in the end.

It depends where the defect is. If it was half way down the bore that is not on you.

 

[Ggmac]

If you want to make a good living DO NOT BE A GUNSMITH! ! Be a plumber , electrician or almost anyother trade . Gunsmiths need expensive liability insurance, licensing, federal and local , special credit card companies, expensive security and monitoring , expensive tooling , electric and expensive inventory insurance. I’m sure I’m forgetting some but I was advised to keep liability insurance 15 yrs after formally closing the doors . Your gun repairs and builds do not die , they just have new caretakers that may or may not know the limits or restrictions given to the original builder/ owner .
Gary

 

[B Nettesheim]

If you want to make a good living DO NOT BE A GUNSMITH! ! Be a plumber , electrician or almost anyother trade . Gunsmiths need expensive liability insurance, licensing, federal and local , special credit card companies, expensive security and monitoring , expensive tooling , electric and expensive inventory insurance. I’m sure I’m forgetting some but I was advised to keep liability insurance 15 yrs after formally closing the doors . Your gun repairs and builds do not die , they just have new caretakers that may or may not know the limits or restrictions given to the original builder/ owner .
Gary

What if I’m an electrician and riflesmith lol?

 

[DShortt]

What if I’m an electrician and riflesmith lol?

My advice would be turn riflesmithing into a hobby and pay your bills keeping the power on.

Listen to Gary. He's been at it a long time and he's forgotten more than a lot of us will ever know.

 

[Ggmac]

Thanks .

 

[jelenko]

In my opinion this should be SOP

And, charge for the time.
In addition to covering your own 'liability', there's value to the customer to have an expert inspection.

 

[lazyMlazyK]

Spoke with the Smith today, he's pretty concerned and wants to take a look. It'll be in the mail shortly. He seems to be a pretty good guy, running a pretty good business. Sometimes things get missed, and I'm not upset or have any ill-feelings about the company. Mostly just disappointed, was almost ready for the first shots.

 

[Dusty Stevens]

Spoke with the Smith today, he's pretty concerned and wants to take a look. It'll be in the mail shortly. He seems to be a pretty good guy, running a pretty good business. Sometimes things get missed, and I'm not upset or have any ill-feelings about the company. Mostly just disappointed, was almost ready for the first shots.

I bet he will come up with something quickly so you wont have to wait so long

 

[spitfire_er]

Not sure where that last photo is located, but appears to be a void in the steel and would be a barrel maker problem. The other marks depending on where they are would also be a barrel maker issue unless it's in the throat area. Not sure how a guy would even do that with proper chambering techniques.

 

[lazyMlazyK]

Smith's a real good guy, they're taking care of me. They'll chamber that barrel up in something longer to ream out the problem spot, and they're sending me a new barrel. Good folks to deal with.

 

[jackieschmidt]

Smith's a real good guy, they're taking care of me. They'll chamber that barrel up in something longer to ream out the problem spot, and they're sending me a new barrel. Good folks to deal with.

Good.

 

[AckleymanII]

Attention Gunsmiths:

Bore scope the barrel prior to chambering, at least be ready to make a video of a problem

Bore scope the chamber/throat before you remove it from the lathe

Communicate with customer

 

[Webster]

Got a borescope, thought I'd run it down a new barrel I've got, simply because I've never looked down a new barrel. These marks are about half an inch after the rifling starts. Does it look concerning or just shoot it and see what happens?
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The cross hatch pattern looks like a software image problem? The perfect square pattern doesn't look like tool marks to me. Looks like the pattern extends outside the image of the bore? The lines are not changed from crossing lands to groves. Looks like the pattern is above the bore surface. Whats it look like with other barrels?

 

[DagOtto]

Hi All,
Same question, different gun and barrel.

Take a look at photos of this new barrel, should I send it back?

In January I purchased a Springfield Armory Waypoint 2020 in .308 with the carbon barrel made by BSF. I really wanted to follow best recommendations on barrel break-in as this is my first really nice rifle. I am planning on shooting a mono/copper factory load bullet for this gun as it will be a elk/deer/antelope all around hunting rifle for me here in Montana.

So I purchased four or five boxes of 150g and 165g copper bullets and started shooting at the range with groups of 3, then a full copper cleaning using Eliminator, then lube, foul shot and repeat. Groups were initially impressive with several 3 shot groups well under .75 MOA. I'm not a great shooter so some were also in the 1-1.5" range.

After 20-30 rounds I decided to invest in a borescope as I wanted to confirm that I was doing a good job of removing all copper per break-in recommendations. I put the borescope in and was shocked to see the damage in the photos. It starts about 1.5" down from the muzzle and looks to be 5 or 6 cocentric "rings" of damage. Is this something I could have done? I've used nothing other than nylon brushes and patches.

I don't think this is damage I could have caused, and I showed it to a friend who has long range and custom barrel experience and he said I should send it back even though it has been shooting well. I emailed Springfield Armory two weeks ago and have not heard back.

Thoughts?
Dag Otto

 

[clowdis]

Now that is a real POS barrel. Don't wait for a reply to an email, call them and demand a return.

 

[Dusty Stevens]

You didnt do that. It was real shitty before they ever chambered it