New 6 gt action

[robbor]

I’m torn . I’m wanting to build a 6gt. Torn between bat msc and hammerhead. Single shot vs repeater.
I’d try a black night but really want integrated rail.

 

[round]

Hammerhead without a doubt. That looks like one slick action

 

[gatewood]

Unless you are playing a single shot game, hammerhead all the way. I have 3 and love them. You won’t be disappointed!

 

[LuvDog]

Since the GT was made to feed better from a mag than I’d go repeater

 

[Nvcnvc]

Dont try a Borden black night because you will not try anything else ever! That how good it is. I just received one and I am already thinking of selling everything else I have to go all BK.

 

[robbor]

Dont try a Borden black night because you will not try anything else ever! That how good it is. I just received one and I am already thinking of selling everything else I have to go all BK.

I would totally try one if the were integral scope rail

 

[ogre1911]

Dont try a Borden black night because you will not try anything else ever! That how good it is. I just received one and I am already thinking of selling everything else I have to go all BK.

Exactly the mistake I made......getting one that is. They're great

 

[muleystalker]

I don't k now why people get caught up on integral rails.... A pinned rail isn't going anywhere and if it made a difference you wouldn't see so many BAT's and BORDEN's with pinned rails, winning all the matches they do. If it was a disadvantage you wouldn't see all the world class shooters using them. It also allows you to go from a 20moa rail to a 0moa or a 30-40 moa rail if you decide to use it for a different discipline.

 

[round]

I don't k now why people get caught up on integral rails.... A pinned rail isn't going anywhere and if it made a difference you wouldn't see so many BAT's and BORDEN's with pinned rails, winning all the matches they do. If it was a disadvantage you wouldn't see all the world class shooters using them. It also allows you to go from a 20moa rail to a 0moa or a 30-40 moa rail if you decide to use it for a different discipline.

Why are people resistant to change ?


It's not about a pinned rail going anywhere for obvious reasons. It's about less machine setups , less tooling , less time , and a top rail that is closer to center than if it were machined separately.

Go measure 2 different top rails in a CMM , and chances are they'll be more differences in those than in a one piece action.

Early BATS and Bordens , along with so many other actions, maybe had pinned rails as a result of machine capabilities. Not because it was a winning combination. People won with them because thats all that was available and honestly, when theyr' all on the same level , does the action really make that much of a difference ? No.

Just like integral lugs. less setups, less measuring , less tools.

 

[dgeesaman]

Why are people resistant to change ?


It's not about a pinned rail going anywhere for obvious reasons. It's about less machine setups , less tooling , less time , and a top rail that is closer to center than if it were machined separately.

Go measure 2 different top rails in a CMM , and chances are they'll be more differences in those than in a one piece action.

Early BATS and Bordens , along with so many other actions, maybe had pinned rails as a result of machine capabilities. Not because it was a winning combination. People won with them because thats all that was available and honestly, when theyr' all on the same level , does the action really make that much of a difference ? No.

Just like integral lugs. less setups, less measuring , less tools.

You need to see Jim’s shop and how he runs it to then understand that nobody is more serious about tolerances than he is.

Call him and ask the question. He’s no toilet paper engineer (well he is but he’s a really good one)

 

[Nvcnvc]

I would totally try one if the were integral scope rail

So far, the pinned rail from Borden has not caused any issues or held me back in scoring at the Fclass comps I have participated. There are so many other variables I need to improve, the pinned rail vs integrated discussion does not even enter the equation for me. Of course to each their own. And I totally get your hesitation, but if you give it a try, I am sure you will too be convinced that a pinned rap its just as good as an integrated rail. Especially from Borden. BAT also has perfectly matched rings.

 

[round]

You need to see Jim’s shop and how he runs it to then understand that nobody is more serious about tolerances than he is.

Call him and ask the question. He’s no toilet paper engineer (well he is but he’s a really good one)

We are talking about pinned vs integral rails on an action. It comes down to machine setups, tooling costs, employee wages, material costs, machine cababilities, tolerance stacking , etc....

manufacturers are always looking at ways to cut costs and although the setups for a 1pc action ( rail and lug ) on a multi axis lathe / center will take longer , itlll only take one person to do it , is easier to control dimensions, and could use less raw materials.

 

[muleystalker]

Why are people resistant to change ?


It's not about a pinned rail going anywhere for obvious reasons. It's about less machine setups , less tooling , less time , and a top rail that is closer to center than if it were machined separately.

Go measure 2 different top rails in a CMM , and chances are they'll be more differences in those than in a one piece action.

Early BATS and Bordens , along with so many other actions, maybe had pinned rails as a result of machine capabilities. Not because it was a winning combination. People won with them because thats all that was available and honestly, when theyr' all on the same level , does the action really make that much of a difference ? No.

Just like integral lugs. less setups, less measuring , less tools.

I'm not resistant to change, I have several actions with integral rails and integral lugs. I'm just saying it's not that big of a deal and I wouldn't let it make my decision on which action to buy. I would take a world class action with a pinned lug over an action under that with an integral rail.

People are still winning with pinned rails. it wasn't just early Bats and Bordens that had pinned rails,
Bat and Borden are still making them with pinned rails and they are in the top ten winners every match.
People have choices and they are still buying them and winning with them. I'm not against integral rails its just that I see guys wanting to get in the game and pass up great deals on a great action because they heard from someone on the internet that you have to have an Integral rail and integral recoil lug... everything else is junk. Then they end up buying something sub par to the action they passed up.LOL

If it was inferior none of the BR guys would shoot actions with bolt on mounts, they would demand integral. And they don't even pin most of their mounts. LOL

 

[Kracken McGraw]

I'm not resistant to change, I have several actions with integral rails and integral lugs. I'm just saying it's not that big of a deal and I wouldn't let it make my decision on which action to buy. I would take a world class action with a pinned lug over an action under that with an integral rail.

People are still winning with pinned rails. it wasn't just early Bats and Bordens that had pinned rails,
Bat and Borden are still making them with pinned rails and they are in the top ten winners every match.
People have choices and they are still buying them and winning with them. I'm not against integral rails its just that I see guys wanting to get in the game and pass up great deals on a great action because they heard from someone on the internet that you have to have an Integral rail and integral recoil lug... everything else is junk. Then they end up buying something sub par to the action they passed up.LOL

If it was inferior none of the BR guys would shoot actions with bolt on mounts, they would demand integral. And they don't even pin most of their mounts. LOL

Bunch of rails are solid with just 6-48 or 8-40 screws.

 

[Clancy]

Bunch of rails are solid with just 6-48 or 8-40 screws.

I don’t like integrated rails. Mainly because on my point blank rigs I don’t want to be 20 moa off center from the get go.

I think it’s safe to say my rifles shoot really well.

I have a 6BR that I sighted in back in January of 2017 with a Swarovski z8i 2.3-18x56. I have not moved it a single click since then, and it’s ridden about 5,000 miles in a coyote hunting rack and still shoots 1/8” groups.

I wouldn’t let a rail influence my decision either.