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Need some voices of experience, 30-06 vs. 30-06 AI

I don't know who messed up your rifles but it wasn't because of the AI chambering! I have several Ai chamberings, I don't chamber them to get a faster cartridge for the most part, I do it to make the brass last longer and it does, plenty of people want them so I can't see if there was a quality job done and the rifles are in good apperance, then I see no reason the resale would be that bad! If you want fast neck a .460 weatherby down to .17, shoot 20 grain slug 6000 fps, if you want your brass to last and improve the velocity some go AI, it's really not rocket science.
Wayne.
 
bozo699 said:
I don't chamber them to get a faster cartridge for the most part, I do it to make the brass last longer and it does,

This is why I am even considering the change. As for the velocity gains (or not) I always am conservative in my expectations. That tends to lower the amount of disappointment in the end.

I figure that if I can gain some velocity and not have to make the jump to a a "magnum" that would be nice too. Do I expect "magnum" performance, nope, but every 50-100 fps gain does make the bullet go farther.

Coupled with a nice VLD and I think I can have a lot of fun.
 
Look at the Berger 215 Hybrid. With a long barrel, you can probably get 2650-2700 fps. That high BC will do the work for you. You will have fun and surprise a few people.
Bill
 
bozo699 said:
I don't know who messed up your rifles but it wasn't because of the AI chambering!

The AI'd rifles I have are messed up in terms of resale value, function and cost of dies, special brass etc.

When a rifle is messed up with the AI infliction it no longer fits it's barrel channel, the barrel must be restamped with it's new caliber and nobody want's it for resale. There is also concern about personal liability on resale.

The brass does not last longer, it doesn't even last as long!

When a good case is fired in that gouged out chamber it pulls metal back from the shoulder area and neck stressing the brass there and making the case shorter.

It does not save trimming. It just makes the case shorter so those who don't understand it think it does not need to be trimmed.






I have several Ai chamberings, I don't chamber them to get a faster cartridge for the most part, I do it to make the brass last longer and it does, plenty of people want them so I can't see if there was a quality job done and the rifles are in good apperance, then I see no reason the resale would be that bad! If you want fast neck a .460 weatherby down to .17, shoot 20 grain slug 6000 fps, if you want your brass to last and improve the velocity some go AI, it's really not rocket science.
Wayne.
 
Here is a quote from another post on this forum illustrating the folly of bothering with the so called A.I.

"I posted in the reloading section as well.
I think I can use my Lee collet neck die to size the necks of a 260 Improved.
What are you guys doing for seater dies? Will I have to buy an improved seater die?"
 
Savage99 said:
bozo699 said:
I don't know who messed up your rifles but it wasn't because of the AI chambering!

The AI'd rifles I have are messed up in terms of resale value, function and cost of dies, special brass etc.

When a rifle is messed up with the AI infliction it no longer fits it's barrel channel, the barrel must be restamped with it's new caliber and nobody want's it for resale. There is also concern about personal liability on resale.

The brass does not last longer, it doesn't even last as long!

When a good case is fired in that gouged out chamber it pulls metal back from the shoulder area and neck stressing the brass there and making the case shorter.

It does not save trimming. It just makes the case shorter so those who don't understand it think it does not need to be trimmed.






I have several Ai chamberings, I don't chamber them to get a faster cartridge for the most part, I do it to make the brass last longer and it does, plenty of people want them so I can't see if there was a quality job done and the rifles are in good apperance, then I see no reason the resale would be that bad! If you want fast neck a .460 weatherby down to .17, shoot 20 grain slug 6000 fps, if you want your brass to last and improve the velocity some go AI, it's really not rocket science.
Wayne.

WOW!!! that's funny right there ;)
Wayne.
 
bozo699 said:
I don't know who messed up your rifles but it wasn't because of the AI chambering! I have several Ai chamberings, I don't chamber them to get a faster cartridge for the most part, I do it to make the brass last longer and it does, plenty of people want them so I can't see if there was a quality job done and the rifles are in good apperance, then I see no reason the resale would be that bad! If you want fast neck a .460 weatherby down to .17, shoot 20 grain slug 6000 fps, if you want your brass to last and improve the velocity some go AI, it's really not rocket science.
Wayne.



No no no...a 460 is TOO small...not enough powder capacity. 50 BMG...wait...20 mm Vulcan necked down to .17. That should do it.
 
Aside from the shoulder advantages, unless you shoot 200gr or heavier bullets, you really "gain" nothing by going .30-06AI.

With heavy bullets, the Ackleyed `06 will shine, and that means fine velocity gains.

I fireformed 50 cases last Summer using 180gr cast bullets. Have a new 200gr mold that will drop about 210gr with wheelweight alloy. Solves the barrel wear anxieties and really penetrates...

Kind of a specialized ctg in many respects. Have a 27" Rock Palma barrel in .308win been thinking of reaming to `06AI but just can't get motivated to do so. I carry my rifles more than shoot them these days. Prefer a hunting barrel contour to a 13lb match gun on the trail...
 
bozo699 said:
Savage99 said:
bozo699 said:
I don't know who messed up your rifles but it wasn't because of the AI chambering!

The AI'd rifles I have are messed up in terms of resale value, function and cost of dies, special brass etc.

When a rifle is messed up with the AI infliction it no longer fits it's barrel channel, the barrel must be restamped with it's new caliber and nobody want's it for resale. There is also concern about personal liability on resale.

The brass does not last longer, it doesn't even last as long!

When a good case is fired in that gouged out chamber it pulls metal back from the shoulder area and neck stressing the brass there and making the case shorter.

It does not save trimming. It just makes the case shorter so those who don't understand it think it does not need to be trimmed.






I have several Ai chamberings, I don't chamber them to get a faster cartridge for the most part, I do it to make the brass last longer and it does, plenty of people want them so I can't see if there was a quality job done and the rifles are in good apperance, then I see no reason the resale would be that bad! If you want fast neck a .460 weatherby down to .17, shoot 20 grain slug 6000 fps, if you want your brass to last and improve the velocity some go AI, it's really not rocket science.
Wayne.

WOW!!! that's funny right there ;)
Wayne.

Wayne,

Because you cannot make a constructive comment about my post or AI chamberings you say it's "funny".

What I say about them is true. However this should be all just for fun or our enjoyment of the sport. If someone gets up early to make an AI then good for them if they are happy.

:D
 
Well I can and sometimes can get very sarcastic and I feel very sarcastic right now but I am going to control myself and tell you that my comment was constructive then you fired back some bunch of Bull Sh** and then I made the sarcastic ,...that's funny comment! I still stand by my comment! your one of the very few that have ever bad mouthed a AI improved cartridge. Don't push it!... I am done with the thread unless you push it further,...let it go, it's my opinion and that won't change! Have a nice holiday :)
Wayne.
 
I have a 6.5-06AI and 30-06AI. I've owned both in standard chambers. The velocity gains are real, you have to switch powders sometimes, but with heavy bullets and slow powders my experience has shown real gains.
 
My take on going to Ackley two thing happens 1 the brass doesn't grow as fast
2 you gain case capacity
So you have more powder options normally you have a increase in in bullet speed .
Is it worth while yes Larry
 
I've said it before, " if you're a rifle nut and want something different, go for it." I have enjoyed the hell out of my 257AI, and my 6 Dashers. Barlow
 
Necro thread from 2013.... Pretty sure that amlevin has already chambered his rifle, shot out the barrel, and chambered it again at least a couple times over. :)
 
I have a 30-06 that I'm considering re-barreling. At the same time I'm considering a new cartridge for it.

I am considering having the new barrel chambered in 30-06 AI and now would like to hear from any out here that have done it before.

Was it worth the effort?

Was there any significant gains?

How long a barrel (I'm wanting to use a 155gr, perhaps a Scenar or Berger)

What were your experiences?
The 06 AI is a waste of time and it has been written so a hundred times. On the other hand the 257 Roberts AI shines big time by improving it over the std cartridge.
 
I have a 30-06 that I'm considering re-barreling. At the same time I'm considering a new cartridge for it.

I am considering having the new barrel chambered in 30-06 AI and now would like to hear from any out here that have done it before.

Was it worth the effort?

Was there any significant gains?

How long a barrel (I'm wanting to use a 155gr, perhaps a Scenar or Berger)

What were your experiences?

yes, I did it. No It wasn't worth the effort.
 
Shoot fellas, I'm guilty :D. Was searching for some info and didn't realize this wasn't my current window when on my phone :confused:.
 
I agree with Savage99 wholeheartedly--there is definitely NOT and increase in brass life--indeed it is shortened, and every thing else he says is spot on--I have 3 of AI's 2 @ 280 and 1 22-250 and I feel like I have 3 rifles where I am left with a hosed rifle. The 22-250 I am hopeful to re-barrel back to 22-250 and be OK again--just a waste of around $800....
 
While you can get a bit more velocity from the 3006 AI it isn't enough to be of value to me. If you want more than the 3006 can provide there are a number of 30 caliber magnums to choose from. The 3006 is a boring round, it takes very little work to make it shoot well and it is able to be loaded low enough to shoot rabbits and enough case capacity to kill large and dangerous game anywhere in North and South America. Boring round - it can do anything that any other 30 caliber can do - and it does it without all the "wizz-bang" and work that other guns need. I used to plink with mine, shoot coyotes and rabbits, deer and elk. It is as close as you can get to the perfect all around gun as you are likely to see.
 

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