Need some help/advice

[Sniper338]

A buddy is bringing me his winchester model 70, 7mag to look at. Its just a cheaper gun, nothing crazy, but he likes it..

I refinished the stock on it and fixed some things years ago for fun for him... he let someone take it to clean for him and reload a few rounds for him..

Now hes bringing it back to me, says he cant get the screws out from the trigger guard, thus cant get the rifle apart, and it has a 2 to 3 second delayed fire after pulling the trigger...

Im thinking the screws got loctite...

And the triggers got junk in it and needs a lighter fluid bath...

After that ill check in the bolt...

Question is... screws with loctite? Heat gun to break the adhesive? Or whats the cure for glued in screws?

 

[olddav]

I'm thinking that you will want to use a soldering iron to heat the screw. A heat gun may damage the finish on the stock. If the screws are anything other than slotted head screws you may be able to break them free with a impact driver.

 

[jdh47]

If you have a small soldering iron or wood burning iron with a point you can heat the screws one by one to soften the loctite and unscrew. If not you can use a well fitting screw driver in the slot and strike with a hammer [impact] to try and brake the bond. Be careful with the slots though.

Joe

 

[Preacher]

Stick a bit in the screw slot, and heat that up red hot with whatever you have to do it with....
Let it cool and then use a screwdriver with lots of left hand torque while you hammer it.....

 

[fredhorace77]

Just a thought, will a soak in Kroil cut thru this?

 

[SheepDog]

Any chemical that will soften the loctite will also soften the finish. It takes about 400F to soften red loctite. Depending on the finish of the screws you might be able to turn them out with a tight fitting screw driver and some leverage and patience.

 

[M-61]

If it's red Loctite it is unlikely you can get them loose without heat. The slotted screw just makes it worse as it is a horrible design.
I would put a wet rag around the screw. Take one of those propane pin point lighters (not a BIC but one that you can aim....can't think of the name of them) and keep warming the screw head. Patience and time should let the heat sink to the threads. A proper fitting screwdriver is a must. Just be sure not to let the screwdriver 'walk' out of the slot. The heat had to get to threads to work. Brute force (in my experience) will not work.
I hate slotted screws. Phillips, allens, torx anything is better.

 

[hoz53]

A buddy is bringing me his winchester model 70, 7mag to look at. Its just a cheaper gun, nothing crazy, but he likes it..

I refinished the stock on it and fixed some things years ago for fun for him... he let someone take it to clean for him and reload a few rounds for him..

Now hes bringing it back to me, says he cant get the screws out from the trigger guard, thus cant get the rifle apart, and it has a 2 to 3 second delayed fire after pulling the trigger...

Im thinking the screws got loctite...

And the triggers got junk in it and needs a lighter fluid bath...

After that ill check in the bolt...

Question is... screws with loctite? Heat gun to break the adhesive? Or whats the cure for glued in screws?

Did you work on those screws yet? just wondered how it worked out

 

[msinc]

The only way I have ever been able to do this is to take a "sacrificial" punch that is close to the size of the screw you can see thru the tang, heat the punch as hot as you can get it and touch it to the end of the screw you can see. This will usually get it hot enough to break the Loc-Tite and allow it to come on out. The one in the lug ways will need to be done the same way, but you will need a punch that is bent 90 degrees to reach in and touch the threaded part of the screw. This one is difficult because it is hard to see, but you can do it. If you take too long getting the punch {or nail or some other piece of metal rod that fits} just take it back out and heat it up again...it has to be as hot as you can get it when you touch it to the screw. Same thing with the center screw. You have to touch the heated bar or rod to the threaded area of the screw...touching it to the slotted head area will probably not get it hot enough where the thread {and Loc-Tite} is, but you can try. You can also clamp up the rifle so it is stationary and have a buddy help you apply the heated bar to both ends. It takes some doing but if it doesn't work you will have to dead center punch the screws and drill the heads off to get it apart. Then heat the remainder of the screws and vise grip them out. Good luck.

 

[akajun]

Haven't you guys ever heard of and impact driver ? Couple wacks with a hammer and it will be busted loose.
If you want squirt a few drops of kroil on the end of the rear action screw each day for a week and inside the front receiver ring in the lug recess so it goes into the front screw, that way if it does drip through it just hits the floor and doesn't ruin finish on the stock.

 

[SheepDog]

I have two impact drivers but I wouldn't use them on an action screw. I think you would have better luck chucking it in a mill and use a left hand drill to get it out.

 

[timeout]

I would use an impact driver with a tip that fits appropriately. Hopefully no one was ill informed enough to use red loctite on action screws.

 

[Ggmac]

Order new screws and cut the heads off as a last resort . The new screws are most likely needed after hard removal anyway .

 

[shortgrass]

Hopefully, no Loc-Tite. I disassembled a Sendero yesterday, so I could thread the barrel for a brake. Both guard screws were so tight I had to slip a 'cheater pipe' over the long arm Allen wrench to get them loose. There was no thread locker used on either screw, just way over torqued. The mis-information,,, it just never ends.

 

[Sniper338]

Did you work on those screws yet? just wondered how it worked out

no i havent been off work yet...

Got the rifle... definently a delayed fire...you hold the trugger back and it takes about 3 seconds and it goes off

 

[Sniper338]

Did you work on those screws yet? just wondered how it worked out

Alright worked on it this morning and got it done. Culprit = red loctite and a non gunsmith kind of person factory trigger job....

I had to use a small torch and heat the threaded end of the action screws/bolts. Two came out fairly easy, one was hell, but i managed to get it out. Bolts are junk now, it took all the muscle i had to push down snd turn them slotted bolt heads, they were slready stripped some so it didnt make it any easier...

As far as the trigger goes the nuts on the factory trigger got messed with to the point they wouldnt engage right...

Mystery solved, new bolts ordered. I told him not to let anyone mess with his guns again. Lol

 

[hoz53]

Alright worked on it this morning and got it done. Culprit = red loctite and a non gunsmith kind of person factory trigger job....

I had to use a small torch and heat the threaded end of the action screws/bolts. Two came out fairly easy, one was hell, but i managed to get it out. Bolts are junk now, it took all the muscle i had to push down snd turn them slotted bolt heads, they were slready stripped some so it didnt make it any easier...

As far as the trigger goes the nuts on the factory trigger got messed with to the point they wouldnt engage right...

Mystery solved, new bolts ordered. I told him not to let anyone mess with his guns again. Lol

Thanks for the update-a lot of hacks out there. Your buddy is lucky he's got you to take care of this stuff.