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NEED HELP Sell or Rebarrel

Carbon fiber wrapped barrels are NOT exactly known for their inherent accuracy,
Just to start with.
they are a compromise to achieve less weight
the compromise being accuracy in itself
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Note: you do not see any, not even 1, carbon wrapped barrel on the firing lines at competitions
if they retained accuracy after being turned down then rewrapped, you might see one on the lines.
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Aside from this, I have done a bit of research on carbon barrels because,
The idea is a good one, I want one, I would like to use one
however, I have not found any to be accurate enough
at least - Not CONSISTENTLY....accurate
Some may be decent, or produce accuracy at any given time but cannot be relied upon
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From my research, and others testimonies who have tried and use them
(Mainly for a hunting rifle only, not for competition)
is that Proof is a 50/50 gamble
When they heat up they walk unpredictably
and each different brand of carbon barrel walks in a different manner
What I did find was that a Brand called BSF, seems to hold the best round type pattern once it heats up
as opposed to a larger scattered pattern which is what I see Proof produce.
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I built one Carbon Chassis, Carbon barrel custom once and decided to try a
Bartlein Carbon wrap simply due to Bartleins cut rifling and their good reputation
Much less of a gamble with Bartlein should it not be accurate enough
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The Bartlein produced phenomenal accuracy and held it for at least 10 shot strings
I did not go past 10 shots because it was not a Comp rifle so testing further to heat the barrel further to gauge walking would be insignificant in the realm of realistic use
I would guess patterns would open up as you put more rounds through
but this does not happen when hunting
I figured 10 shots, or even 5 shot groups would provide a realistic assessment of Bartleins carbon barrel
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Bartleins also start off with a larger OD SS barrel to begin with
while others turn their barrel profile rather thin before wrapping
So you start off with a thicker barrel with a Bartlein to begin with which aids accuracy
My suggestion
Try a Bartlein or a BSF carbon wrapped barrel
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Shown are the results of my testing in a barrel I chambered in .284 Win
the best / last group shown is a 6 shot groups, testing 3 different seating depths
more than adequate even for certain types of competition.
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Lastly, you need to, have to, it is a requirement
---Load your own ammo to tailor it to the gun and the barrels individual characteristics
Specifically "Seating Depth"
if you are expecting ANY type of reliable accuracy
using Factory loads is a waste of time, money and your barrel life.
You cannot get around this, there are no cheat codes with using Factory Ammo
Even if you tried every brand of Factory ammo, the possibility of finding a winning combination of
"accurate factory ammo", you would be better off expecting to buy a winning lotto ticket.
How many tickets would you have to buy to increase your odds of winning?
There are not enough different combos of factory ammo available to find an accurate one
 

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For a fair comparison,
here is what could be expected of using Factory Ammo, when the combination of everything is simply
WRONG
it will never get better, you cannot make the WRONG combo shoot better no matter how hard you
try, aim or pull the trigger better.
 

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"I've even sent back my rifle to fierce they said they polished the chamber and throat as well as lenghtend the throat. They sent it back to me and it still will not shoot the work they did didn't change a thing. Theve even told me exactly what to load and told me it would shoot and again it did not."

But did they provide the load AND test target to back up what they said? I'd call them and discuss it with them and if they want it back to go through it ask them to provide the test target showing all shots from cold/clean and how long between shots so you can see where it fouls in and then how many shots group up after that in X time. There's too many places guaranteeing 1moa or even 1/2moa rifles to pay that for one that won't shoot, but I'd give them the opportunity to show you it shoots and go from there.
 
If you watched the video in post #19, the guys admitted that their rifle shot horribly with Hornady ammunition but shot rather well with the Federal.
I am not a fan of Carbon Wrapped barrels. I think it’s more of a gimmick than anything else trying to convince the buyer that he is getting a heavy profile barrel at light profile weights.
you stated that they “polished the throat and lengthened it”?

That does not sound encouraging.

Whose barrel blanks does Fierce use?
 
Final thoughts...

Carbon wrapped barrels are unpredictable at best and infuriating at worst. I don't know that groups under an inch are to be reasonably expected from a hunting rifle.

The average shot for a deer in my area is 40 to 75 yards and an inch and a half will get you an easy heart lung shot at those distances.

Unless you're hunting at 200 yards or more I would suggest you might as well be happy with what you've got and keep trying to find an ammo combination that can get you better groups than what you are getting which in reality aren't all that bad

You just can't expect half inch groups and bench rest accuracy from hunting rifles.
 
As a general rule I would say bullet velocity is maybe the single most important variable for consistent accuracy (of course after having a properly bedded action. If that's not done right then nothing's going to happen right.)

The right Bullet at the right weight with the right type and quantity of powder that produces a velocity matched up to the barrel length and the harmonics of that particular Barrel is what has gotten me the accuracy I've gotten.

If those don't sync up right, then you're going to get Barrel whip , scattering shots.... 1 / 1000th of variation in Barrel whip between shots at the muzzle can produce at least one inch of variance on the target.

Btw... in my experience a manufacturer can't give a shooter the right load for his Barrel's best accuracy because every barrel has its own best load. The barrel right before your Barrel, and your Barrel, and the barrel right after your Barrel coming off the production line will all have three different loads that shoot best for them most likely.

A heavy profile large diameter Barrel is the best way to avoid Barrel whip. A thin light profile carbon fiber Barrel is the exact opposite of that. So one and a half inches at 100 yards for that kind of barrel really is fairly decent in my opinion
 
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"I've even sent back my rifle to fierce they said they polished the chamber and throat as well as lenghtend the throat. They sent it back to me and it still will not shoot the work they did didn't change a thing. Theve even told me exactly what to load and told me it would shoot and again it did not."

But did they provide the load AND test target to back up what they said? I'd call them and discuss it with them and if they want it back to go through it ask them to provide the test target showing all shots from cold/clean and how long between shots so you can see where it fouls in and then how many shots group up after that in X time. There's too many places guaranteeing 1moa or even 1/2moa rifles to pay that for one that won't shoot, but I'd give them the opportunity to show you it shoots and go from there.
They did give me the test targets but did not tell me any specific like yardage or cool down in between shots ect. What they said was... load this powder at this weight at this coal. I did that and tested that multiple times
 
If you watched the video in post #19, the guys admitted that their rifle shot horribly with Hornady ammunition but shot rather well with the Federal.
I am not a fan of Carbon Wrapped barrels. I think it’s more of a gimmick than anything else trying to convince the buyer that he is getting a heavy profile barrel at light profile weights.
you stated that they “polished the throat and lengthened it”?

That does not sound encouraging.

Whose barrel blanks does Fierce use?
They won't tell me that
 
I guess what I'm really looking for is if any one can tell me if the fierce actions are decent enough that it's worth spending the money on a new barrel
 
Never heard of them until this thread. I'd want to see their test target with every possible minute detail specified on it down to what press and dies were used to produce their test ammo. But from only what I read in this thread, i.e. not knowin nuthin bout nuthin, it sounds like an extremely expensive rifle that satisfies a need to spend issue. Then again, Weatherby and Bergara are both expensive now days too. I'd give them one more opportunity to make it right, returning the detailed info I requested, and if not I'd move on. To a more mainstream rifle and round that is probably 90% as good (if not more) for 50% of the cost. Bergara B14 Ridge or Weatherby Vanguard strong suspects. Good luck with a satisfactory resolution.
 
Can’t remember if it’s been asked, but have you borescoped the barrel to see what it looks like?

And did you buy this rifle new or was it used?
 
I think ELR and AlNyhus are on the right track. I have had Ruger American rifles that are flimsy and will not shoot with a bipod, but off a rest where able to shoot in the 2's with hand loads.
 
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You just can't expect half inch groups and bench rest accuracy from hunting rifles.
I would be the first to say that 1.5" @100yds will suffice for 95% of deer hunting.
However, after spending that much money on a rifle, it had better shoot tighter than a peep sighted milsurp.

How much does the rifle weigh? Flyweight rifles are very challenging to shoot accurately.
 
I would be the first to say that 1.5" @100yds will suffice for 95% of deer hunting.
However, after spending that much money on a rifle, it had better shoot tighter than a peep sighted milsurp.

How much does the rifle weigh? Flyweight rifles are very challenging to shoot accurately.

Totally agree. I can buy one and a half inch group rifles down at the local pawn shop for two bills.

And then I can go get a carbon fiber Barrel and still be 6 to 800 bucks a head
 

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