Need help on two new builds,PLEASE!

[bozo699]

Hey Guys,
My son and I each won a barrel @ the Montana 1000 yard br championship a couple of weeks ago.He has a Krieger and I a Lilja. We want to build 6mm somthings,we want to be able to compete next year in windy Missula Montana.I know out of the 11 benches shooting there 9 of them benches would have dashers on them,Obviously good shooters! but I hate being like everyone else.What do you guy's think about the 6brx?or any other suguestions. We want them to be the same,built with the same reamer. Kenny474 don't you dare reply to this thread as I know you are trying to set a new record here on 6br for the most post in a 6 month period. LOL. just kidding all suguestions would be apreciated Thanks in advance.
Wayne.

 

[tinkerer]

I know this is heresy, but what about 243, or even 243 AI?

Still 6mm, but guaranteed 1000 yd gun.

Larry
Tinkerer

 

[Dubya]

Hi Wayne,
Any of the improved 6BRs' will work. 6BRX is a good choice.
You did not mention what class you are building for !7 lb. or HVY or 11 lb.

Gary.

 

[TerryPohl]

If not the Dasher witch I have two of and love, I would go with the 6X 47 are the improved version. I don’t have any experience with the two but they look on paper and what I have read.
Terry Pohl

 

[iowaboy]

I agree with tinkerer.

If you won free barrels, why not try a plain jane 243? It would prob only last ya a season but who cares. When the wind is blowing it would be hard pressed to beat the speed of a 243.

Or why not the 6xc, not quite the barrel burner as the 243 but still a little faster than a dasher.

 

[bozo699]

Thanks for the reply's guys,
Larry, I hadn't gave the old tried and true .243 a thought. A .243AI w/1:7.5 twist would handle 105's-115s great,may think harder on that Thanks.

Gary, I have been strongly considering the 6brx. 17lb class, Thanks.

Terry, I talked face to face w/several guy's that were shooting the 6x47s, they pretty much all said the same thing,the 6x47s had better wind bucking capabilitys than the dashers but were far more finiky to load for.I am not dead set against a dasher as I know there tearing up the track right now,just want to be different I guess. Thanks for your input. :-\

Iowaboy,I have a 6xc w/rampro action, jewell trigger,1:7.5 Krieger and acess to the reamer to build a couple more,it is a thought, Thanks.


Kenny474 I am dissapointed,where have you been? I was just kidding about chiming in as stated before I allways value your opinion and where is cliffy The .243 has been mentioned several times I figured his directional antanna's would be honed in ;D Keep it coming guy's I am indicisive and need pursuaded.
Wayne : :-\

 

[MarkS]

bozo699,

There is not a dimes difference in all the 6 BR IMP. I have shot a 6 BRX for 6 years, in 1000 yds and 600 yds. I have shot 3 IBS records at 600 yds, and may others have shot records with 6BRX's. I had a 6BRBS a few years back, built on a Remington action, it shot very well to, but I sold it to build a Bat 6BRX. I have done the 6XC, that did not work, stay with the BR IMP's.

Mark Schronce

 

[deadlyswift]

Where is good ole Kenny on this topic? ;D As bozo699 said just kidding Kenny does offer good info on many topics!

bozo699,
Me I'm just on the 6br, 6 dasher and 6brx kick right now! My vote would be the 6brx. The dasher does seem to be more popular than the 6brx as far as what is on the range on a given day. I agree with what Marks said that there isn't a dimes difference between the two. I like the brx just a little more. Simply because I already have 6br dies so that will save alot of money for loading componets when you consider having to buy custom dies for the dasher. With that said. I like what tinkerer said being you have 2 free barrels, hmmm... heck Maybe go crazy and do a finky wildcat for something to just play with and increase your knowledge. I suggested the 6brx more less because it's ware my intrest is now.

Either way you go keep us informed on things and have fun if nothing else!
Good luck to ya what ever you do!
Mark

 

[Kenny474]

Ok, OK, I will throw out my thoughts. You have the Savage in 6.5-284, and you want something to buck the wind, and given that it must be in 6mm speed will be key in gaining an advantage over the other 6mm's. That said, the 6-284 is a screamer plain and simple. Easy on barrels it is not. But when it comes to flat out velocity, it surely has it's place. You can also use your 6.5-284 dies, as long as they are bushing dies, and save the cost of buying dies for another round. I'm not sure you will gain much over a .243AI, but you don't really need to fireform the 6-284 to the extent of the AI and that could save you a bit of barrel life.

But should you not like that idea, there is always the 6mm Remington or the 6mmAI Rem as well. They are both fast rounds, and a bit less common than most other choices.

And if you REALLY wanna go fast and have a round that nobody else on the firing line has, there is always the .240 Gibbs. Not the best for barrel life for sure, but man is it fast! It should be able to push a 105 to nearly 3500fps in a long enough barrel, and maybe even faster. I have no idea how it would compare accuracy wise to the other rounds, but it surely has the speed handled. In all reality, probably not the best choice. But it's fast!

In your position, the 6-284 makes a bit of sense, should you not mind the short barrel life. It will be like a smaller twin to the barrel you run on the Savage. I have never heard anyone say it's inaccurate. I think if you can get it dialed in, you should have a definite advantage over the Dasher or any slower round when the winds kick up.
The 6mmAI and 243AI are both nice rounds as well, but seeing as they need to be heavily fire-formed and they already suffer from short barrel life would make me think twice.

 

[bozo699]

Kenny,
You have made my whole night thanks And your psychic as well. As I said my friend has the 6*284 reamer and I have considered it but was hoping to reduce the recoil for faster target accusition. I guess that is what brakes are for huh? I really enjoyed shooting the savage but most of the sucessful competitors seem to be getting 10 rounds off in 20-30 seconds,I'll never be able to do that with savage action,I don't know maybe speed isn't everyting! Kenny what action did you end up w/for your 6br was it the stevens? for whatever I build I am stuck on 6mm what action would you suguest for 1000yd br? Thanks again Kenny now just waiting on Cliffy.
Wayne.

 

[bozo699]

Kenny,
Just a side note, you joined this site 6 days after I did,my total logged in time is 2 days 1 hour and 32 min w/86 posts thats less than a 1/2 a post a day your 2.25 posts a day ahead of me if it is a race I am definitly LOOSING!! just lmao a whole bunch. go kenny go.
Wayne

 

[Kenny474]

I picked up another older Savage in .243 and I am going to use that action for my 22/6BR build. It also got me a nice .243 barrel for my Steven's as well.
I think I am going to take a trip over and talk to Larry Racine's shop in a few weeks and see if he will work his magic on the action. He is supposed to be the best there is when it comes to Savage, and he lives pretty close to me as well. Though I may end up swapping that action onto my bench rig and using the old bench gun's action on the varminter.

I have heard the Farley actions are very fast and smooth, but I think they are more of a 100ydBR action than a 1000yd action, though I may be wrong on that. They are machined from a stainless billet and have EDM cut raceways, so they should be very smooth and precise. Probably why they are regarded as such a fast action. They are worth a look regardless.

The BAT's are some of the nicest machined actions I have ever seen. Just incredible precision, and they are made from a solid steel billet so they should be very strong. I have never heard anyone complain about a BAT, and they are used in many very accurate rifles.

I would look at offerings from those two companies, though there are quite a few really nice actions on the market.

As for improving the Savage, you may want to call Larry Racine. There is also a modification that can be made using a piece of 38spl. brass and a ball bearing. If you go to the Savage Shooters forum and do a search, you will likely find it. I am unsure if the target actions are built the same, but it worked wonders for smoothing the bolt throw on my bench gun. I plan to do it to all 3 of my actions.

 

[Kenny474]

I too am surprised Cliffy hasn't stopped in to preach the benefits of his ".243 Winnie Pooh". I swear he would recommend it for grizzly bear if someone asked. I just see it as a "cookie cutter" round, very much the same way I view the .223. It has it's place and it's uses, but there are other rounds just as effective that everybody on the planet doesn't use as well. It's just nice to be different sometimes, hence my "championing" of the little triple deuce. I know I am far from the only one still using it, but it has largely fallen away to the other faster, more popular rounds.

 

[Eddie Harren]

John Whidden just won the NRA Nationals with a "cookie cutter".

 

[Kenny474]

John Whidden just won the NRA Nationals with a "cookie cutter".

No, really? I hadn't seen that posted EVERYWHERE on the site. If you actually read my post, I state "It has it's place and it's uses" and then after I state my logic on the situation like this: "but there are other rounds just as effective that everybody on the planet doesn't use as well."
What I was saying, is there are other rounds that get the same velocity, or nearly so, that are not in every gun safe across the country. You can accomplish the same goal without having the same thing everybody else has, you know by being different.

 

[Eddie Harren]

"If you read my post" The ingnore button will resolve that issue. You are too savvy for me!

 

[bozo699]

Kenny,
Check your pm.
I am more undecided than ever now,The 6brx is what I origonally had my heart set on,but with mention of .243ai and now kenny 's mention of 6*284 I need to think.
Brain is going in circles (STOP) 6brx is proven,low recoil everything I think I might want,The .243 brass is cheap and everywhere, if I run out of lapua, win or rem is everywhere.And if I don't mind putting on a brake to better manage recoil I allready have all the redding and wilson dies for 6.5*284 which will work on 6*284 and they are proving to be a round to recon with especially in the wind.I will sleep on it again tonight. Thanks all for you thoughts and opinions!
Wayne.

 

[datp]

Sir, I will add my 2cents if I may. I would give the 6mm Super LR a look. Its based on .243 brass but has a 30 degree shoulder and a longer neck, basically a long 6xc. I got a reamer to chamber a rifle for a buddy and chambered one for myself at the same time. I will say that I am hooked. Shoots 115 DTACs at over 3000fps and is way more accurate than I ever imagined. Shoots inside my 6.5-284 with less recoil.

Vernon
DATP

 

[Kenny474]

Wayne, remember that the 6-284 will recoil a little less than the 6.5 in a similar weight rifle, as it is pushing a lighter bullet. I am not sure of how much, but it should be a decrease.

 

[MarkS]

bozo699,

The barrel life for the 6 and 6.5 284 is about 1000 rds. benchrest accuracy. The 6BR and 6BR IMP are 3 times that.

Mark Schronce