Been doing some load work up on the Win 284 brass Ive fired into 6.5. I had some ES problems but thats fixed with more neck tension and a tad more jam. My ES today was 33fps caused by a couple odd balls that Ive culled out. The SD was 8.4. Conditions were ideal except for one 5 shot group with heavy vertical boiling so I waited for some overcast. The best group was 7" with a couple of 8's and change and a few 11's. I know this rifle and I can do a lot better. Last year before I buggered up my brass we were shooting consistant 4 to 6" 5 shot groups. 142 MK's bearing surface and meplat sorted. 2976avg. MV with 52.3gr. H4831sc. Im thinking Im a bit out of a sweet spot. Maybe tweek up and down a 10th or two? 789 rounds down the barrel for those who are wondering.