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Neck turning conundrum

I decided (in retrospect I'm not sure it was a great idea) to neck down some lapua .308 brass to 7-08 instead of buying Norma 7-08. I ran the lapua through a non bushing 7mm-08 full length die. I noticed that post-sizing the shoulder was not particularly sharp given that I'd used a nonbushing die.

I looked at cartridge case diagrams for the two calibres and noted the base to neck-shoulder junction dimension was slightly longer for the 7-08 (40-50 thou depending on the diagrams viewed). I already knew the necks would be a bit shorter.

Unperturbed at this stage I carried on and ran a few through an expander mandrel and proceeded to neck turn them. I was deliberately running the cutter into the shoulder slightly to try and avoid donuts. I was using a cutter with a 35 degree cutter angle. I noticed that the cut around the shoulder at the base of the neck was not concentric (uniform width) around the diameter of the case for some of the cases.

I took the turned cases and checked the necks on a sinclair concentricity gauge and while runout is not necessarily fantastic (say a max of 4 thou (1/2X total reading of 8thou), most around 2 thou), I wasn't sure that it was enough enough to make me think that bent necks were the cause especially given some of the cases with uneven cuts had no more runout than those that were even. The cases were a good fit on the turner mandrel and were expanded with a matching expander mandrel.

I haven't done a huge amount of neck turning but I don't recall seeing this issue before. Previously I used a neck turner (K&M) with a cutter that was less of a match to the angle of the neck than this one (PMA).

Is this likely to cause any problems further down the track and what is the likely cause of the issue?
 
I would have too except a safe neck clearance is not achieved until after turning them. I guess I could neck turn them just to the base of the neck, fire them and then clean up the necks again? I have only turned 6 or 7 test cases at this stage.
 
lurcher said:
I would have too except a safe neck clearance is not achieved until after turning them.
Ok, :-[ I don't get it, Why/What would make them "unsafe",
Not saying your wrong just curious??
 
Fire them and try a skim cut afterwards on a few, see what happens.

For future use, you might consider turning them as .308, then necking down. That will give you an even cut into the shoulder and it will go a little further than you could do safely at the 7mm size. You might have to touch them up after the first firing also, but it should work out OK. Something to try...
 
The only reason you wouldn't be able to fire them first and then neck turn, is if he has a tight neck chamber and they won't chamber with the current neck thickness or it will be too close to fire safely (not enough clearance).
 
its a factory chamber but measurements on freshly fired brass vs unturned necked down lapua brass with bullet seated shows only about a thou max clearance, I guess with springback it might be 2 thou at most. I hunt with this rifle so would like about 4 thou (2 thou a side clearance).

Strangely my new 7-08 lapua cases were slightly flared at the casemouth after full length sizing also. I have heard of a guy getting a nasty surprise using unturned 7-08 cases made from lapua brass, no damage done but he got a big fright
 
Hhhmm, :-\
Good call, thanks for the responce.
I do know the merits of Lapua brass, but I think I'll stick with Winchester for my 7-08 hunter.
Good luck, hope ya get'm cut down straight,
 
Would an option be to fire form them before neck turning using the "cow" method? I fire formed some Lapua 243 cases in my 243AI chamber using Green Dot, corn meal, and polyester pillow stuffing. After that I turned the necks on a lathe and the run out measures about +/- 0.0005" using a 21st Century concentricity gauge.

Bill
 

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