Please let's not do the 20+ page donut thread. If we could just stick to how far to turn into the shoulder. I want to turn a little into the shoulder to control donuts. I've heard stories of shooting the case neck down the barrel. Scary! So this is a 6.5 creed Lapua brass 20x fired. Neck thickness is 99.9 cleaned up. Thought I'd cut it off just to see. Couldn't! Limit of my cutter. Check it out.