My Method to Find the ‘Lands’

[Killick]

Size a dummy case with .002 neck tension (.282 for .284 cal.), mount your rifle, muzzle down, by the barrel in a bbl vice secured in an appropriate vice. Seat your preferred bullet long enough to be into the lands. If you don’t know what that would be try to find where the boat tail bevel is halfway up the neck by trial and error. Now coat the area where the ogive taper begins with a black marker. Let it dry and then drop the dummy round into the chamber and close the bolt. Open the bolt slowly and cycle it again. Now pull the bolt all the way out. The bullet will most likely be stuck in the lands. You can use a thin wooden dowel inserted from the muzzle to push the bullet up into the action to retrieve it. It will have bare spots engraved where it engaged the lands. Clean the bullet and seat it deeper by .010 increments. Keep repeating the process until the bullet stays in the case neck. Now seat the bullet in .002 increments until the lands no longer engrave the bullet ink. The last time it engraved will be your ‘touch’ point. You can now test for your optimum seating depth, either in or out of the lands.
OK, you can now respond with biting and incisive mockery at the utter naïveté of my dangerous and unusable newb method I’ve used successfully to produce championship ammo. Do your worst.

 

[Fire Dog]

Size a dummy case with .002 neck tension (.282 for .284 cal.), mount your rifle, muzzle down, by the barrel in a bbl vice secured in an appropriate vice. Seat your preferred bullet long enough to be into the lands. If you don’t know what that would be try to find where the boat tail bevel is halfway up the neck by trial and error. Now coat the area where the ogive taper begins with a black marker. Let it dry and then drop the dummy round into the chamber and close the bolt. Open the bolt slowly and cycle it again. Now pull the bolt all the way out. The bullet will most likely be stuck in the lands. You can use a thin wooden dowel inserted from the muzzle to push the bullet up into the action to retrieve it. It will have bare spots engraved where it engaged the lands. Clean the bullet and seat it deeper by .010 increments. Keep repeating the process until the bullet stays in the case neck. Now seat the bullet in .002 increments until the lands no longer engrave the bullet ink. The last time it engraved will be your ‘touch’ point. You can now test for your optimum seating depth, either in or out of the lands.
OK, you can now respond with biting and incisive mockery at the utter naïveté of my dangerous and unusable newb method I’ve used successfully to produce championship ammo. Do your worst.

Perfect is good enough…. Just barely... {:~)

 

[TTE]

easier way to get you moving ahead

 

[bobinpa]

For a bolt action, Alex Wheeler's method is hard to beat, if not impossible. It's basic, easy and repeatable. I've been using it since I saw it and it has saved me time and headaches!

I commend him for sharing his "secrets" and helping fellow shooters.

 

[Rob01]

Way too much work to get an easy number but if you like it then have at it. lol

 

[Killick]

easier way to get you moving ahead

Don’t want to buy more stuff

Way too much work to get an easy number but if you like it then have at it. lol

Well, it was 1/2 hr. well spent.

 

[Killick]

Cortina and Speedy have a ‘new’ method, but you have to remove your barrel. No thanks.

 

[Edd]

I would say what my method is but nobody would use it.

 

[Killick]

Perfect is good enough…. Just barely... {:~)

Hey! That’s MY tag line.

 

[TTE]

Well, it was 1/2 hr. well spent.

How many times did you watch it ? It's only an 8 min vid

 

[Killick]

easier way to get you moving ahead

Better tool than the Hornady.

 

[dgeesaman]

Size a dummy case with .002 neck tension (.282 for .284 cal.), mount your rifle, muzzle down, by the barrel in a bbl vice secured in an appropriate vice. Seat your preferred bullet long enough to be into the lands. If you don’t know what that would be try to find where the boat tail bevel is halfway up the neck by trial and error. Now coat the area where the ogive taper begins with a black marker. Let it dry and then drop the dummy round into the chamber and close the bolt. Open the bolt slowly and cycle it again. Now pull the bolt all the way out. The bullet will most likely be stuck in the lands. You can use a thin wooden dowel inserted from the muzzle to push the bullet up into the action to retrieve it. It will have bare spots engraved where it engaged the lands. Clean the bullet and seat it deeper by .010 increments. Keep repeating the process until the bullet stays in the case neck. Now seat the bullet in .002 increments until the lands no longer engrave the bullet ink. The last time it engraved will be your ‘touch’ point. You can now test for your optimum seating depth, either in or out of the lands.
OK, you can now respond with biting and incisive mockery at the utter naïveté of my dangerous and unusable newb method I’ve used successfully to produce championship ammo. Do your worst.

Seems like an effective and painstaking way to do it.

 

[BuffaloBill]

Way too much work to get an easy number but if you like it then have at it. lol

You probably take your bolt apart to clean it periodically, right?

 

[Rob01]

You probably take your bolt apart to clean it periodically, right?

No. Your point?

 

[BuffaloBill]

No. Your point?

I just meant that while disassembling the bolt to find the touch point like Alex does, you can perform one of the periodic cleanings. Killing two birds with one stone as they say.

 

[Rob01]

I just meant that while disassembling the bolt to find the touch point like Alex does, you can perform one of the periodic cleanings. Killing two birds with one stone as they say.

Ok but it’s not only the bolt part. He likes it so he can do it.

 

[Killick]

How many times did you watch it ? It's only an 8 min vid

That was the elapsed time of my method.

 

[Fire Dog]

Hey! That’s MY tag line.

I know, just caught my fancy and could not resist an additional comment…
Peace Brother… {:~) Bit like “Too Much… Is Not Enough…”

 

[Killick]

How many times did you watch it ? It's only an 8 min vid

2 things I noticed about EC's vid. First, he obviously didn't remove the ejector from the bolt which can possibly skew the cartridge when the bolt closes on it (if the bullet is not jammed in the lands). Second, he's not trying to find the lands. Jamb point is different than touch point. My method (not actually mine) locates the touch point. I shoot F-Class and don't need an ejector so I removed it.

 

[64Rambler]

https://www.wheeleraccuracy.com/videos scroll down to "Finding your lands"