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My BIG "Gap" Theory

Ledd Slinger

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Over the years, I have hunted large game with many different calibers from a 243 Win to a 358 Norma mag and many others in between. After having witnessed the performance on a LOT of game with many different bullets is many different calibers, I've come to a personal conclusion on what is "actually" needed for harvesting the wide variety of North American big game...

I believe that with the relatively new long range bullets made by Berger and others, I really only need a fast 6.5 caliber cartridge and perhaps a large 338 cartridge. Everything in between seems pointless for North American big game. Now this is just my opionion, so hear me out if you will...

A 140gr Berger VLD launched from a fast 6.5 caliber rifle at speeds from 3100-3300 fps is extremely effective on large game from the small bodied Pronghorn, to black bear, to Elk. A fast 6mm round with 105gr bullets is very effective on most animals, but a little weak for long range elk. So a fast 6.5mm round is a better choice. It can take elk at long range with a well placed shot while having the advantage over larger 7mm and 30 calibers by producing lower recoil and less meat damage.

For taking long range elk more effectively, large bull moose, and all large North American bear species (Grizzly, Brown and Polar), I believe the next thing needed is a large 338 caliber. The 338 Winchester has proven itself for decades in this category, but an even larger 338 cal such as the 338 Lapua, 338 Norma, or 338-375 Ruger may be a better choice when trying to take those animals at long range. However, a 338 is a little "overkill" for prognhorn and small deer, so there is still the need for the previously mentioned 6.5 cal.

I believe the best do-all arsenal for all North American game is a fast 6.5mm round and a large 338 caliber. Is there really any reason for anything in between? Have fun with the debate ;)
 
I came to that conclusion a while back... thats why i got em all... but its fun to shoot things with different calibers... as far as if i could only have 2 calibers for hunting... a 6.5 and 338 lapua would be my top choices.

I have 3 different 6.5s love em all
 
I think you are exactly correct! Now let's see what else I can conjure up.. How about just ONE (1) "do it all" cartridge? I have a .300 R.U.M and it can shoot ANYTHING from 150's to my "hunting" bullet, a 200gr Nosler Accubond at 3225f.p.s. If you shot a 150-165gr Barnes TTS (or whatever they have now) at a modest 3100f.p.s. you could take all "deer sized" game, up to and including Sheep and Caribou sized game. Substitute "my load" (the 200gr Nosler Accubond at 3225) and you would CRUSH an Elk or even a Brown Bear like a soda can under your feet! Now let the debates begin!!
 
Where's the fun of just 2 guns? Are you working for the "other side"? What would you hunt squirrels with? Deer, in a "shotgun only" county? I can see the headlines now: "Experts on Top National gun forum agree ALL hunters only need 2 guns."😱😱😉 what should I do with my grandfathers 30-30. My 45-70? .223? .308? Etc.,etc.,etc.. I'm SHOCKED by the proposition!
 
joshb said:
Where's the fun of just 2 guns? Are you working for the "other side"?

Lol. No! ;D

This whole thing actually came to me when I was wondering why in the heck I own so many different hunting rifles? I then began criticizing them all and came down to my two favorite calibers and cartridges. The 6.5 Remington Magnum with 140gr Berger Hunting VLDs and the 338-375 Ruger with 250gr Berger Elite Hunters. Really couldn't figure out why I need all the others except for "just having them".
 
OK. If you really can't live with your "extra, unneeded" guns I'll make the supreme sacrifice, and accept all your unneeded guns an give them a warm place in my home. I really can live with the "just to have them" mentality.😃😃😃LOL. You may just be experiencing a mild stroke, dimentia, or too much alchohol. Hopefully, it will pass. Breath deep and repeat after me: i'm a hunter a nd gun collector and i'm OK with that. Keep repeating that, when you have any doubts.
 
joshb said:
OK. If you really can't live with your "extra, unneeded" guns I'll make the supreme sacrifice, and accept all your unneeded guns an give them a warm place in my home. I really can live with the "just to have them" mentality.😃😃😃LOL. You may just be experiencing a mild stroke, dimentia, or too much alchohol. Hopefully, it will pass. Breath deep and repeat after me: i'm a hunter a nd gun collector and i'm OK with that. Keep repeating that, when you have any doubts.

Lol. Will do. Thank you for the therapy :)
 
If Jack O'Conner were alive he would straighten you guys out with the .270 Winchester. I read somewhere that the old fashion 30-06 with good bullets can kill anything on the north American continent.
 
LOL , LOL , I wear skinny jeans , and date teen age boys ........ My 2 hunting rifles are pink , and hot pink ! The hide misses you ...... go back
 
zillla said:
I shoot a good ol 270 for everything.. I rely on good hunting skills not half mile maybe shots..

Well I suppose if you have such 'good hunting skills', maybe you should put the rifle down and hunt with archery equipment?

I hunt ALL seasons with all weapons allowed during the seasons and in the specific areas. Including archery hunting and river bottoms close to town where rifles, handguns with barrels over 10", or anything using a cartridge originally intended for a rifle are not allowed. Shots are almost always under 100 yards in the river bottom. Just because people like rifles that can shoot long range doesn't mean they don't know how to hunt.

But please teach us your awesome skills that allow you to get close enough for a 270 Winchester rifle. Can't imagine ever being THAT good. ::)
 
I think a .270 is about ideal for North American game, outside maybe brown bears.

However it'd be awful hard on fur.....and what fun is having one, two or three gun?!

A guy better have a gopher gun, a blackbird gun, a prairie dog gun, a fox gun, a coyote gun, a wolf gun, a whitetail deer gun, a mule deer gun, a pronghorn gun, an elk gun, a moose gun, a bear gun and then at least five or six extras for having fun or backups or whatever.
 
xswanted said:
A guy better have a gopher gun, a blackbird gun, a prairie dog gun, a fox gun, a coyote gun, a wolf gun, a whitetail deer gun, a mule deer gun, a pronghorn gun, an elk gun, a moose gun, a bear gun and then at least five or six extras for having fun or backups or whatever.

Geez...I better get my credit card and drive to the gun store.

And YOU get to explain it to my wife! ha ha!
 
No matter how many you own, when it comes down to making a 1800 mile drive to hunt for a week, a person will pull only a select few to hunt with. Those are the meat and potato guns. They may change from time to time, but always have ammo loaded and ready for the next outing. Confidence in the rifle trumps caliber most of the time, if not always.

Guns are like potato chips, you can't just have one. But to rob someone else's saying, beware of the guy/ gal with only one gun. Most likely they know how to use it.
 
I consider my .300 SAUM to be an all around rifle. I feel confident taking up to brown bear size game within reason.
 
wvlongshot said:
Guns are like potato chips, you can't just have one. But to rob someone else's saying, beware of the guy/ gal with only one gun. Most likely they know how to use it.

Very true ;)
 
Ledd Slinger said:
wvlongshot said:
Guns are like potato chips, you can't just have one. But to rob someone else's saying, beware of the guy/ gal with only one gun. Most likely they know how to use it.

Very true ;)
There's an ol' lady I know who lives up around the two dot area who has shot elk for years with a .22-250. Can't change her mind either. Works just fine for her.
 

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