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Moving out west and would like advice.

BigHorn WBY said:
Don't listen to .260 James, he is my younger brother and knows nothing.

Don't come to Wyoming. Its terrible. No people (least populated state), low property taxes, no state income tax (thou there is 15% self employment) lowest average gas prices in country, lots and lots of public land and tags. Like I said terrible..... ;) ;D ;)
I have already emailed several county sheriffs depts for info about the firearms laws in their respective counties as I found land at an amazing price out there. Although the 15% tax on private employment does sound to great!! Right now water and power are the only 2 things I need to confirm easy access to in the areas that I have found land in my price range. By easy access I am willing to pay to have power lines run out to me and as long as there is water in the ground I would be good to go.
 
16 brook trout/day for how many days? All winter you walk ON the creek. When it opens up you have to wait for snow melt to drop the water to fishable levels. By August you can fish and in late September that walking starts again.

Now the PD hunting, deer, lopes and other critters make up for it.
 
Mine Sweep -

Howdy !

I put in 37 yr ( Air National Guard ) myself, and retired Jul 2009.

My recommendation: O-klahoma !!!

Ridiculously gun/shooter/sportsman friendly !!

I live just East of Tulsa, which has the worlds largest gunshow(s) - Wannamaker ( forgive spelling ).

After 55+yr living in NE Indiana ( which we liked just fine ), we enjoy the WX here in Oklahoma... even more !
Mild winters, and its "beneath" the permanent frost belt.

The state is not all that highly populated, and lots of open spaces abound.

This IS the no-kiddin' West, and is where a lot of Indian tribes ended-up; especially just East of here.

This is the land of the " diesel dually ", and it'll be pulling something.
There's healthy mix of hillbillies, rednecks, Okies, Bubbas, crackers, Po' White Trash; and cowboys... to name a few ( no offense ).
Other cultures and ethnicities are also well represented.

Cammo is often part of the working man's daily apparel.

Local paper will feature large articles about things like deer season, turkey season; etc.

Oklahoma just went "legal to open carry", if that's any indication of the gun culture in these parts.

OK also tends to have lower gas prices, since this is "oil country" ( Tulsa economy, fer sher ).


With regards,
357Mag
 
CaptainMal said:
16 brook trout/day for how many days? All winter you walk ON the creek. When it opens up you have to wait for snow melt to drop the water to fishable levels. By August you can fish and in late September that walking starts again.

Now the PD hunting, deer, lopes and other critters make up for it.
There only a few months you can not fish here in town , the mountain is another story!
 
I thought about the original post for a while and came up with several thoughts. Some of them aren't pleasant, but the devil is always in the details.

Water/Septic--had a friend whose kids were always sick after they moved into their rural property. Years later they found out that the septic leach line ran within 10 feet of the water well casing--in California. Even though you're looking for a larger property, some property splits from the 50's and 60's are too small for today's septic standards--we just sold a lot the family owned from the late 70's. If the guy next door to this lot hadn't bought it from us it would have been useless, too small to build a house on unless you had two contiguous lots according to newer standards than when originally split. Building codes have changed over the years, and they aren't always adhered to. Somebody already addressed water quality, well depth and costs earlier.

Power--got lines running next to your intended purchase? Great! Maybe. There are large power transmission lines out west that are DC, I can think of one that runs from Washington to Southern CA that passes close to Reno. Useless for AC power, and do you really want to live that close to a major electromagnetic field? Also, had a friend that wanted to buy 40 rural acres. The local real estate agent says the power line runs within 1/4 mile of the lot he wanted, power is no problem. Until he calls the utility and finds out, yes, it's AC, but there's no substation to step the voltage down. $800,000 will buy you one. The other nearest power lines for residential are 20 miles away. This is the same real estate agent that "didn't know" the water table was 600 feet deep.

Alaska--put your stuff in a container in the Seattle area and ship it to Alaska, then fly or drive. It's done all the time, it will catch up to you.

Self employment tax--pretty sure the person that referenced this when discussing Wyoming was referring to the 15.3% FICA/Medicare taxes which you would be paying anyway to the Federal Treasury Dept.

Use Taxes--you purchase $100k of equipment shipped to you from out of state? You owe Use taxes equal to the Sales tax rates, payable when Sales tax returns are due, usually monthly. You owe it even if you bought it in state and the seller didn't charge you. The sales tax auditors will eventually get to you--then you'll pay penalties and interest, too. This assumes your new state has Sales taxes, most do.

Local ordinances--many rural areas are lax on knowledge and enforcement of local ordinances until someone complains or someone runs across something that hasn't come up in a while. Mike Bellm had a business in Oregon chambering Thompson Center barrels and other non FFL work for years, then testing them on his property (I just looked for the story on bellmtcs.com but the web site has changed over the years and I can't find it.) Everyone shot on their property in that area. Some new family moves in with their chronically under-employed 30-something son that lives at home and likes to spend his time playing dog frisbie with his several dogs. They didn't like gunfire and complained. The ordinances didn't allow for business use of Mike's property the way he was using it, and I'm guessing he couldn't get a waiver or change the ordinance. Just make sure you know as much as you can about the area before you put your money down.

If this sounds cynical, too bad--anyone trying to sell you something has a vested interest in presenting it in the most positive manner possible. Selective editing of facts is unfortunately a way of life. You ARE at a disadvantage by being from out of state. Just think of all the polished turds that you see at gun shows with high prices and stories of just how "special this gun is" if you need any more confirmation of this.
 
On being cynical don't worry about it. I am looking for things like that. I have never bought property or anything more than an apartment before and I got torn a new one on that.
JSN your post is one of the main reasons I posted this. If people tell me what to look out for when getting my land than I should be that much more prepared to not get screwed. I already got offered land in some areas for amazing prices but after looking at the property there is going to be no facilities of any kind. They call it "INVESTMENT" land were you do nothing with it but let it sit. Thought that was a silly waist of space.
I am hoping to get into an area were there are local farmers adjoining my property. I would be more than willing to lease out my property for the princely sum of taxes on it just to ensure that it is being used. Crops are an investment land can be a mans home. I just want a home were I can shoot often, learn to hunt and butcher what I hunt and do work from home.
 

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