Mounting a scope with Burris Signature rings.

[209jones]

Maybe I missed something here along the way, but, from what I've read, it is only the XTR rings that have the variable inserts? Which have to mount on a pic rail. Not aware of the std Signature rings having those inserts available, and I'm pretty sure the XTR ones won't work in std ones. I asked Burris if they had any plans to make a lower XTR height than current and very carefully explained my issue, and they had no solution.

 

[ChrisNZ]

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I found this...
"Swapping the standard inserts with a pair of offset inserts will move the point of impact approximately 5" at 100 yards for the .005 inserts, 10" for the .010 and 20" for the .020".
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There's a big assumption in that- assumes your ring spacing is the same as the one the writer is talking about. Your spacing is likely to be less coz it's a rimfire?

 

[Grey Kiwi]

Yes, I only have 5.5" of space. I'm aware about the ring spacing affecting the actual adjustment offered.
No sweat, it will be better than what I had before. I really would prefer to keep scope close to optically centred (because I can, if for no other reason).
NZ dealer says he is supplying 1 set of Burris dovetail mount, 1" Signature rings that take these inserts...
https://www.midwayusa.com/product/100885631/
He is supplying the set of inserts too.
Says that the Medium rings are same height (10mm) as I used for my Leupold 45x scope that has near enough same objective outer dimension as my new Sightron 36x42.
I too can't really figure out the Burris site.
I see these, but the dealer assured me that he was getting me the dovetail rings to fit my 11mm CZ dovetail.
https://www.burrisoptics.com/signature-rings
I will know tomorrow when the bits arrive.
How do those rings attach? Is there a special 'base' needed to mount the ring on to?
The XTR rings are not 'rounded' but are flat internally (with a raised ridge) and take a flat insert.
https://www.burrisoptics.com/mounting-systems/rings/xtr-signature-rings
So yeah, there are 2 types of rings and 2 types of inserts.
Edit: This shows the dovetail rings better and I notice that they do take the rounded insert.
https://store.theshootingcentre.com/burris-signature-rimfire-rings/
Edit: Found this...

 

[CJ6]

Maybe I missed something here along the way, but, from what I've read, it is only the XTR rings that have the variable inserts? Which have to mount on a pic rail. Not aware of the std Signature rings having those inserts available, and I'm pretty sure the XTR ones won't work in std ones. I asked Burris if they had any plans to make a lower XTR height than current and very carefully explained my issue, and they had no solution.

The Signature Zee rings were the first to come out back in the 80's in 1" and now come in both 1" and 30 mm. They also have inserts for rim-fire and the XTR rings.

 

[BoydAllen]

Maybe I missed something here along the way, but, from what I've read, it is only the XTR rings that have the variable inserts? Which have to mount on a pic rail. Not aware of the std Signature rings having those inserts available, and I'm pretty sure the XTR ones won't work in std ones. I asked Burris if they had any plans to make a lower XTR height than current and very carefully explained my issue, and they had no solution.

Signature Rings™ | Burris Optics

www.burrisoptics.com

 

[Leeman]

The link to the dovetail rings you inserted in your post #23 won't fit your CZ, they're designed to fit into bases which attach to the receiver and are then 'turned in' to secure. Looking at the Burris website, the only rings they list for CZ rails are not signature. You would be better off using the Z signature rings and a CZ dovetail to Weaver/picatinny conversion. I had to do a similar thing to use signature rings on an air rifle which had the conventional 11mm rail. If you do a search you will find these around but it may mean ordering from overseas.

If you are sure you have an 11mm rail, these should fit.

Hawke 2 Piece Adapter - 3/8 to Weaver

Hawke 2 Piece Adapter 11mm or 3/8" to Weaver - HM17025 22405 - Optics Warehouse

www.opticswarehouse.co.uk

I believe they would ship to NZ, but maybe try an airgun specialist in NZ as they may stock something similar

Also try rimfire central website as someone else must have tried to fit signature rings to your model of CZ.

Edited to add. Having said that part no. 420554 may fit directly to the dovetail if it's definitely 11mm.

 

[BoydAllen]

This is how I set up Burris' rings with inserts. I center the reticle precisely using a jig (scope unmounted) that lets me rotate it in wood V blocks that have tape on them so the scope will not be marked. I adjust the scope so that the intersection of the cross hairs remains stationary on a target as the scope is rotated. Then I mount the scope with the zero offset ring inserts and shoot it at a measured distance. As close as the scope will focus makes this easier. Holding center, on a good sized target I shoot one shot to see if it will be on the paper and if it is a couple more so that I can use the center of the group for reference. Then I measure the horizontal and vertical offset of the group center (from the aiming point) and do the math to tell me how much offset I need for both windage and elevation. Basically it is a ratio problem where the center to center distance of the rings (in inches) is to X as the distance to the target ( in inches) is to the the particular offset (horizontal or vertical) that I am calculating for. Once I have both offsets I do more math to figure out which inserts (may need to use offsets front and back) will be used and where their parting lines need to be rotated to. This gets into a little trig. but with most calculators having a scientific option, it is not too difficult. Yes, I am a bit of a math guy, but certainly not the best, having struggled with calculus my sophomore year in college.

 

[Grey Kiwi]

I checked this morning with dealer, and this is what I'm getting...
Burris Signature Rimfire rings, and a set of inserts to suit.
All seems right to me.

 

[209jones]

Quite possible the guy I talked to at Burris was a newbie that didn't know the product well enough to tell me about the fact that the offset inserts would work in the regular Signature rimfire rings. Can't say as it is spelt out on the website real well that they do for sure either, only mentioned with the centrefire Signature rings, plus they only show 1" dia, not 30 or 34mm on the rimfire rings .
I was/am trying to lose the 1/2" that the pic rail added to the overall height on the XTR's on my CZ 457 AT-one, with a Tract 50mm scope. I even commented to him that there is a market out there for 11mm rimfire rings with the inserts in the 30/34mm sizes for the long range 22 crowd, all he could say was look at the XTR one pc base versions (which mount on a pic rail and are same heights as the XTR). Whole point is to keep the scope low, lose the pic rail and mount to the dovetail and be able to have 20 or 30MOA angle on it.

Not sure what to think about the CSC link, they only list 1" too, and I do have Burris rings that have liners in them, but they don't give MOA adj. Could be because they are like 30yrs old.

Let us know what you actually recieve.

 

[Grey Kiwi]

OK, all good.
I received a set of Burris 1" Signature .22 rings, Medium (complete with a set of '0' inserts). Item #420554.
Plus a set (Item #3012) of Burris inserts to suit, with the .005, .010, and .020 inserts.
Rings supplied with an extra set of locking sideplates marked 'A', that are used for 11mm dovetails (which mine are).
Have fitted rings and 0 inserts for now just to check fit (as my scope is still 'arriving').
All looks good, and locks up tight just with finger power. That will do until I get the scope on.
Yes, good product (although made in China...thanks Burris).
Anyway, I'm a happy camper...and if you have a rimfire and want to fit these rings/inserts then have no fear.
They are available, and fit well.

 

[BobbyJ]

OK, all good.
I received a set of Burris 1" Signature .22 rings, Medium (complete with a set of '0' inserts). Item #420554.
Plus a set (Item #3012) of Burris inserts to suit, with the .005, .010, and .020 inserts.
Rings supplied with an extra set of locking sideplates marked 'A', that are used for 11mm dovetails (which mine are).
Have fitted rings and 0 inserts for now just to check fit (as my scope is still 'arriving').
All looks good, and locks up tight just with finger power. That will do until I get the scope on.
Yes, good product (although made in China...thanks Burris).
Anyway, I'm a happy camper...and if you have a rimfire and want to fit these rings/inserts then have no fear.
They are available, and fit well.

I use the Burris Zee Rings on all my 1" Varmint scopes. One of my guns the rails were off so much I was shooting low at 50 yards and 100 yards and had no more scope adjustment. So I set the mechanical turrets to optical zero in my basement using a Table with a lead sled (or any device that you can lock the gun so it does not move) It will be very difficult to do this at the range.

Lets say your scope is mounted 1.75" above the bore and you want it to be mechanically zeroed for 200.
200 - zero
100 - 1.12" high
50 - .13" high
30 feet (basement) 1.31" low (You can find this numbers using a ballistics program. Hawk Chairgun Pro is free.

I set the gun in a gun vise set the scope in the Zrings and bore sighted as close as I could get so the reticle was 1.31" higher than were the bore sight hit the target. If you had a accurate laser bore sight you can nail it on the first try.

Chances are you will also have horizontal misalignment with the scope and bore. So you have to take that into account. I think I used the 20 MOA and had to put the rear at like a 45 degree to give 10 MOA to the vertical and 10 to the horizontal so you have to rotate the Zee rings then look though the scope to see how close you are. Its cumbersome and if you bump your table then you have to re-bore sight it. unless you have a good laser bore sight.

If you plan on actually using the turrets (not use hold overs) then i would over do the vertical MOA by 5 to 10 which will give you more longer range adjustment. I use hold overs so I just got it close and fine tuned it at the range using live ammo.

Let us know how it turns out of you.