I have been lusting for a 6.25 calibered rifle with an AI case a little bit bigger than a 308. Then Berger needs to make bullets about 130 grains that have a BC over 1.0. I don't care how many new cartridges come out per year as long as i can get what i need to load and shoot the ones i already have. Its your money you can spend it on a new cartridge or not no one is forcing you to buy one.
Motivation for “new” calibers
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Threw this together this morning. I'll call it the .264 SuperBR-WTF.
Another man junk is another mans trash.....LOL. This cartridge
had no basic thought, other then shortening a scrapped .284 Win,
necking it long, and stuffing in a 150 gr Sierra. Just a conversation
piece. That's a 7.62x39 steel case next to it.
Another man junk is another mans trash.....LOL. This cartridge
had no basic thought, other then shortening a scrapped .284 Win,
necking it long, and stuffing in a 150 gr Sierra. Just a conversation
piece. That's a 7.62x39 steel case next to it.
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Alex Wheeler
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I like it. A few years ago all I had for a big 30 mag was out dated belted designs. Sure they get the job done, but Im really happy to have the 30 nosler, 300 prc, 300 normas, and so on. The 28 Nolser is a great performer as well. Usually the motivation starts with a shortcoming or a perceived shortcoming in whats currently available and the new case is an attempt to fix it. In the case of the big 30s I would say it was competition between Nosler and Hornady. I like it because we get more options, and better stuff. Theres a lot of old cases that can match the performance, but your stuck with low quality brass. And at least for me, as soon as I have a rifle tuned and figured out, I often sell it and move on to the next puzzle so I like different things.
joshb
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OK! I missed the sarcasm. The Seventies wasn’t all bad! Free love, women burning their bras? Long hair. I liked the peasant skirts, too. It was something to remember! Muscle cars and hippie chicks! I was just graduating high school. I grew up into being a Capitalist! I ran businesses my whole life. I only spent a year or two working for somebody else.
Concur in spades...
You mean nobody has a cartridge to your head?
Joe Maisto
jam711
Adam,
The words " greedy capital pigs" says it all. For me, it is most irritating to hear Americans blaming "other countries" for their poor workmanship. Truth is... the American manufacturers... have sent their "business people" abroad to arrange the manufacture of what we buy ...solely... to have it all shipped back here ... with MORE profit because there was not a price de-crease related to the wages paid in those third world countries. Example...clothing... made in Sri- Lanka, or Viet Nam. It is called..."good 'ole" American greed ! Lord... how I miss the "good old days".
My hair is all white, and I wouldn't have it any other way...(now)
I doubt there are royalties so much as having a leg up in whatever stretch of the race is being run.
Currently, if a company backs a new cartridge and tools up for it, and putting product out in the market, one of two things happens. Either the risk is a success and the competition has to scramble to get tooling and production rolling for the new trend, or it’s a failure and they lose some investment cost. Typically the losses are not a huge risk since the competition is not gaining an advantage.
Historically speaking though, it was a different story. Specifically between Remington and Winchester. It was common for a pair of competing cartridges to be developed. The small arms race usually led to a winner and loser in each pair, constantly shifting the market share between the two companies.
Ultimately, this was brought to an end by the adoption of the Remington 700 platform, by the general public, as the standard for action size. It isn’t even up for debate that the centerfire rifle market is dominated by the R700 platform standards. Bolt faces were also standardized to essentially 3 sizes. We have now reached a point where there is little potential to be gained from something “new” while constrained by the accepted standards. We are now left to chase efficiency in accomplishing the things that are already quite achievable.
Currently, if a company backs a new cartridge and tools up for it, and putting product out in the market, one of two things happens. Either the risk is a success and the competition has to scramble to get tooling and production rolling for the new trend, or it’s a failure and they lose some investment cost. Typically the losses are not a huge risk since the competition is not gaining an advantage.
Historically speaking though, it was a different story. Specifically between Remington and Winchester. It was common for a pair of competing cartridges to be developed. The small arms race usually led to a winner and loser in each pair, constantly shifting the market share between the two companies.
Ultimately, this was brought to an end by the adoption of the Remington 700 platform, by the general public, as the standard for action size. It isn’t even up for debate that the centerfire rifle market is dominated by the R700 platform standards. Bolt faces were also standardized to essentially 3 sizes. We have now reached a point where there is little potential to be gained from something “new” while constrained by the accepted standards. We are now left to chase efficiency in accomplishing the things that are already quite achievable.
Trophied
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If a cartridge has a SAAMI spec looks like anyone could produce it without paying any royalty, especially if there was never a company name attached to it something like 375 Ruger. I guess if one got copyrighted then there may be restrictions. I'm not in the firearms/cartridge business so I'm not sure of ANY of the legalities, and sometimes common sense does equate to legal sense does it.
I'm a "live and let live" kind of guys so if you want the "latest and greatest" go for it however I strongly believe that all these new calibers are totally unnecessary with maybe few exceptions for specialized shooting activities.
It reminds me of my days of shooting NRA precision bullseye pistol competition. One of the guys on our team who was a marginal shooter at best kept trading / buying pistols searching for the "silver" bullet so he could make the "gold" team in our group, i.e. the top 5 shooters. He never made it and he had some of the most expensive pistols money could buy and shot the most expensive ammo. Frustrated he eventually quit the pistol team and took up bench rest shooting with the same predictable results.
Another guy on our "gold" team shot a vintage Hi Standard Military model 22 in the rim fire stage using Remington standard velocity ammo which was good in those days. He was a top shooter. Why? He focused on shooting fundamentals, practicing with a purpose, studying the Army Pistol Marksmanship Guide, and constantly striving to improve his skills.
The very best deer hunter I ever met, a close personal friend of mine uses an old Savage Model 99 lever rifle in 300 Savage with an old Weaver 3 x 9 scope. He has taken a bunch of big bucks and 3 black bear - no small feat in PA. His secret - he's knows how to hunt and is an exceptional field shooter. Furthermore, he does not hunt from a tree stand or blind - he hunts on the ground.
The problem as I see it is that there is too much emphasis of equipment and not enough of marksmanship. How many shooters have the skill to take advantage of the enhanced ballistics of all these new calibers? How many shooters spend the time and energy in practical practice meaning getting off the bench unless of course you are only a bench shooter.
It reminds me of my days of shooting NRA precision bullseye pistol competition. One of the guys on our team who was a marginal shooter at best kept trading / buying pistols searching for the "silver" bullet so he could make the "gold" team in our group, i.e. the top 5 shooters. He never made it and he had some of the most expensive pistols money could buy and shot the most expensive ammo. Frustrated he eventually quit the pistol team and took up bench rest shooting with the same predictable results.
Another guy on our "gold" team shot a vintage Hi Standard Military model 22 in the rim fire stage using Remington standard velocity ammo which was good in those days. He was a top shooter. Why? He focused on shooting fundamentals, practicing with a purpose, studying the Army Pistol Marksmanship Guide, and constantly striving to improve his skills.
The very best deer hunter I ever met, a close personal friend of mine uses an old Savage Model 99 lever rifle in 300 Savage with an old Weaver 3 x 9 scope. He has taken a bunch of big bucks and 3 black bear - no small feat in PA. His secret - he's knows how to hunt and is an exceptional field shooter. Furthermore, he does not hunt from a tree stand or blind - he hunts on the ground.
The problem as I see it is that there is too much emphasis of equipment and not enough of marksmanship. How many shooters have the skill to take advantage of the enhanced ballistics of all these new calibers? How many shooters spend the time and energy in practical practice meaning getting off the bench unless of course you are only a bench shooter.
NZ_Fclass
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Don't tell an F-Class open shooter that the 284 is obsolete! Theres more around here than the 6.5/284 ( those barrels got worn out quickly) .
mikegaiz
Stay frosty, my friend.
Shooters are always looking for that golden BB. The thing that will make them shoot better. Some advancements in bullets, powder, Barrels, processes have to be taken advantage of to win. Some improve performance in older calibers/cases. A truly good marksman will make almost any caliber they shoot a winner. Don't forget the industry wants to make more and sell more, and get all of us to join in the chase. I don't have one of those maybe I should get one? But a lot of fun can be had in the search for that Gold BB... The main thing is enjoy shooting no matter what the hottest new BB is!!!!!
I don't read any gun magazines or press, literally none, outside of what I happen to see in passing. So I'm completely out of the loop and probably not the right person to comment on it but I've just assumed that at this point, Hornady is mostly advertising their various product lines and people are interpreting that as Hornady trying to get the 6.5CM popular as the goal into itself. The first one makes perfect sense to me, the second doesn't. It's been almost 15 yrs since it's introduction, I'd be surprised if they're still sinking a lot of money into promoting the round by itself.
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And Winchester just announced a new cartridge -- the 6.8 Western. I don't know of anyone who was asking for another short (?) magnum in 6.8 caliber (.277). Link: https://primedfor21.winchester.com/
Looks like they took a 6.5 PRC, necked it up and blew the shoulder forward .015". I'm guessing this is to get a 270 magnum option on the more available .53 bolt face vs the larger WSM .55 bolt face?
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