Most accurate 6.5 creedmoor rifle

[Bc'z]

I don't see happening at a 1000 they look an average factory gun, maybe we will see Ruger putting Bat , Borden and Kelbly out of business. That will save us a lot of money, won't have to buy 1500.oo actions and 350.00 barrels and high dollar stocks and scopes. Short range guys better get on here shooting in the .1's at 300 yds.the ultimate bench rest gun...... jim

I'm not trying to compare a Ford Pinto to a Ferrari, I am saying for cost invested and proper loads they shoot.
And that's undeniable.

 

[johara1]

I'm not trying to compare a Ford Pinto to a Ferrari, I am saying for cost invested and proper loads they shoot.
And that's undeniable.

Proper loads? 2900 with a CM at 60,000+ and a 140?? I don't think so. Just think what a 6.5x55 would get with a 140 in a newer action, when they are over 2700 at 45,000 with a 140..... CM is a good case but it isn't special compared to a one developed in 1894 without Hornadays marketing hype..... jim

 

[Bc'z]

Proper loads? 2900 with a CM at 60,000+ and a 140?? I don't think so. Just think what a 6.5x55 would get with a 140 in a newer action, when they are over 2700 at 45,000 with a 140..... CM is a good case but it isn't special compared to a one developed in 1894 without Hornadays marketing hype..... jim

Yes, I agree there are other great 6.5 cartridges that have been around along time
The 6.5x55 has always interested me since I got into hand loading 20 years ago.
Hornady marketed the hell out of the creedmoor, as they have with the Atips, the PRC, and now the new 6mm kid on the block the ARC.
As for outrageous velocities....
A friend of mine reached 3000 out of a 31" barrel with h4350 I believe running 140's.
This was a straight taper competition bench rifle. Given an average of 25fps per inch over the 9" difference between our rifles is a 225fps velocity gain over my 2740 average with a 22" factory copper mine/ barrel.
I know he's backed off and running in the mid 2900's currently running Ramshot Hunter.

 

[johara1]

I use to get 3000 from a 28" barrel on my tube gun in 6.5x47 with the old JLK 130's with Varget and it hammered in the .1's but when that lot of Varget was used up no other lot would do it. went to RL-15 and VV 550 and it was scary fast ... jim

 

[Bc'z]

Are you interested in buying a bridge? If you believe for one minute that a Ruger factory rifle will shoot in the .1's and he would sell it?It takes a good bench gun to do that... jim

RAP 6.5cm seating depth test 123 scenar, 37.6gr IMR4166 CCI200. I'll shoot a 300 yard ladder next with increase in charge weight.
Not to shabby for a factory barreled sporter.

 

[johara1]

I think those are smallest numbers for the biggest groups I ever saw. .092 with two bullets wide? It would be.356 outside to outside .... jim

 

[300_whisper]

The hate for the 6.5CM is so thick and sweet I can pour it on my pancakes....nom nom nom.

 

[dgeesaman]

First, welcome Austin.

I’m a middle aged guy but only got into guns when the greatest gun salesman of all time (2008-2016) convinced me.

For my first non-223, I chose 6.5creed. No regrets.

The hatred for the round is really just misdirected angst at the morons making claims like 6.5cm is a superb 1000y elk cartridge. Even if such a thing existed, it wouldn’t be the 6.5cm. But there are no proper 1000y hunting rounds.

Apart from that, there’s zero reason to hate the 6.5. All it gives you is a level of performance proven on game (6.5x55), modern reamer design, quality brass from many sources, recoil you can tolerate all day, barrel life better than almost any 6mm and affordable yet superb factory ammo.

I don’t have hatred for 6.5 CM. If someone took my press and priming tools it would probably my choice cartridge for longer range.

It does get old hearing from 6.5 CM lovers, knowing that to have a halfway open and intelligent conversation, will involve cutting thru multiple layers of marketing brainwash. No other shooting topic seems to carry as much intellectual baggage, and it’s exhausting because so many of them have the agenda that they picked the greatest cartridge in the world and man you just don’t know what you’re missing.

I don’t find these folks to be obnoxious per se, just overwhelmingly sophomoric. And empowered by the magic kool-aid. And they haven’t been exposed to the various cartridges that are similar (in a good way) with much deeper histories.

So the only things I would like to project to Creedmoor owners is 1) you picked a great cartridge. But it is not the best for everything and the design is not innovative. 2) the CM remains largely a factory chambered round and as such the accuracy of this cartridge is relative to similar cartridges is availability and cost. 3) there is a lot of marketing hype for this cartridge and it can grate the ears of those whose experience is more expansive than what is on the local gun store shelf. It’s not your fault as a Creedmoor owner but it’s worth knowing this context.

 

[300_whisper]

75% of the posts on this thread don’t answer the mans question. To remove the creedmoor blinders just pretend to insert your favorite cartridge and then explain the rifle you would choose.

 

[dgeesaman]

75% of the posts on this thread don’t answer the mans question. To remove the creedmoor blinders just pretend to insert your favorite cartridge and then explain the rifle you would choose.

It might have something to do with the fact the question is unanswerable.

But if we must pretend to be helpful, then the answer is a $5000 custom rifle with at least five barrels. The most accurate rifle is the best of those five barrels.

David

 

[300_whisper]

It doesnt matter anyway. I just checked and the OP hasnt been on since he posted this question...another 6.5CM thread in the record books.

There will be threads and magazine articles written 50 years from now about how this new fangled 6.5CM doesnt hold a candle to the venerable 6.5 swede, .260 rem, or 6.5 lapua. And how the deep state, and assitance from russian trolls, propelled the 6.5CM to its 1500 yard, one hole group, elk leveling infamy.

I wonder when there will be a thread without some sort of disdain for the 6.5CM coming up. I also, wonder, for any of you who dislike it, can you point on the doll where it touched you? Its ok...this is a safe space.

 

[johara1]

The hate for the 6.5CM is so thick and sweet I can pour it on my pancakes....nom nom nom.

That is not true, If it was great you would see it being used in BR. For high end with a 140 the 6.5x 284 will chew it up, for accuracy I would say the 6.5x 47 will get the nod, I saw for real .625 five shot groups from a 47 at 1000.... All I see is zip from the CM. The most accurate CM. is still in the works. I would really like to see one turn a sub 4" group at 1000 with 10 shots and repeat it..... then I will order a reamer.... jim

 

[300_whisper]

That is not true, If it was great you would see it being used in BR. For high end with a 140 the 6.5x 284 will chew it up, for accuracy I would say the 6.5x 47 will get the nod, I saw for real .625 five shot groups from a 47 at 1000.... All I see is zip from the CM. The most accurate CM. is still in the works. I would really like to see one turn a sub 4" group at 1000 with 10 shots and repeat it..... then I will order a reamer.... jim

I never said it was great. I said the hate for it is great. It’s a good cartridge that will get you shooting pretty quickly. We aren’t in the BR section. We are in practical precision. My buddy smokes the 1000 yard IPSC with his 6.5CM. He gets consistent hits at 1200, once dope is correctly figured/ wind accounted for. Thats pretty darn good for the type Of shooting we do. You won’t see a 6.5x284 at a PRS match. The 6.5 lapua will work, but you see way more creedmoors than the lapua. It’s now transitioning to the 6mms now, so we will see how long the 6.5 lasts in that field.

 

[Bc'z]

I think those are smallest numbers for the biggest groups I ever saw. .092 with two bullets wide? It would be.356 outside to outside .... jim

Minus bullet diameter sir, and the group is 1n1/2 bullets wide.
Point is it was shot with a factory barreled sporter, slightly tweaked factory trigger.
The OP asked what's the most accurate 6.5cm,
The Ruger American predator is a economical choice compared to a trued Remington, Savage, or full blown custom build.
My entire rifle with Boyd's stock including scope is $1100.
Will it keep up with a custom?
NO!! I never said it would.
Will it shoot?
You can bet your ass it shoots!!
So when people say you'll never get a factory rifle to shoot small consistently, I call B.S.!!

I'M currently getting ready to rebarrel this rifle with a Krieger 4 groove rem varmint contour in Boyd's
Varmint stock, might as well put a Timney on it while I'm at it.
In the meantime me and my pinto will continue to run with the thorough breads.
It's not the arrow it's the Indian, so I've been told.

 

[Bc'z]

That is not true, If it was great you would see it being used in BR. For high end with a 140 the 6.5x 284 will chew it up, for accuracy I would say the 6.5x 47 will get the nod, I saw for real .625 five shot groups from a 47 at 1000.... All I see is zip from the CM. The most accurate CM. is still in the works. I would really like to see one turn a sub 4" group at 1000 with 10 shots and repeat it..... then I will order a reamer.... jim

9th place at BSWN.

 

[Hohn]

Lots of good commentary here to the effect of: the 6.5 is solid, but not magic. Neither the hatred nor the worship are justified. It's capable of excellent accuracy, but not necessarily more accurate than any other cartridge of good accuracy potential.

Factory rifles can be excellent shooters with the load they like, but a custom greatly increases the odds that you will get a truly excellent rifle whereas a factory gun might have a 1/3 or 1/7 chance of the rifle being a hammer.

 

[johara1]

Minus bullet diameter sir, and the group is 1n1/2 bullets wide.
Point is it was shot with a factory barreled sporter, slightly tweaked factory trigger.
The OP asked what's the most accurate 6.5cm,
The Ruger American predator is a economical choice compared to a trued Remington, Savage, or full blown custom build.
My entire rifle with Boyd's stock including scope is $1100.
Will it keep up with a custom?
NO!! I never said it would.
Will it shoot?
You can bet your ass it shoots!!
So when people say you'll never get a factory rifle to shoot small consistently, I call B.S.!!

I'M currently getting ready to rebarrel this rifle with a Krieger 4 groove rem varmint contour in Boyd's
Varmint stock, might as well put a Timney on it while I'm at it.
In the meantime me and my pinto will continue to run with the thorough breads.
It's not the arrow it's the Indian, so I've been told.

I think you had better learn to measure groups...... But if you are happy, fine ...... jim

 

[JFrank]

That is not true, If it was great you would see it being used in BR. For high end with a 140 the 6.5x 284 will chew it up, for accuracy I would say the 6.5x 47 will get the nod, I saw for real .625 five shot groups from a 47 at 1000.... All I see is zip from the CM. The most accurate CM. is still in the works. I would really like to see one turn a sub 4" group at 1000 with 10 shots and repeat it..... then I will order a reamer.... jim

.625 for five shots at a grand is impressive especially if it’s repeatable, if not repeatable it’s just another snapshot in time.
J

 

[jelenko]

I think those are smallest numbers for the biggest groups I ever saw. .092 with two bullets wide? It would be.356 outside to outside .... jim

Aren't group sizes measured 'center to center'? At least when they are measured center to center, you do in essence subtract one bullet diameter from the extreme edge to extreme edge measurement.

 

[johara1]

Aren't group sizes measured 'center to center'? At least when they are measured center to center, you do in essence subtract one bullet diameter from the extreme edge to extreme edge measurement.

You measure outside to outside and subtract the bullet diameter, most measure down to the black part of the hole to get smaller groups. That is where the problems start, that is considerably smaller than the actual bullet hole..... jim