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More Dasher tuning both the 6 and 22

I managed to have a 3 day weekend so I took full advantage of it all three days. Starting off Friday morning I took my 40x with the 1:8.25 twist barrel out with the 103 Spencer's and setup at 500 yards with two promising loads to decide what to shoot.
This first group is 35.8 grains of H4350 there are only four shots here as I forgot to put a primer in the fifth one.



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According to on target this group measures .639 CTC with only .472 vertical and .556 horizontal

Next is 36.0 grains of H4350 this to is at 500 yards

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This group measures 1.431 CTC with a vertical of 1.279 and horizontal of 1.064

Needless to say the 35.8 grains is the load in this rifle.

Now onto my new barrel the one I'm known for. It's a 22 Dasher, Saturday I screwed on my old worn out record setting barrel and fire formed 50 cases and then neck turned them. That evening I began playing with loads and it looked like at 100 yards I was going to be around the 35.8 grain mark as well with a 80 grain Sierra MK moly coated. So once I established a baseline load I loaded up rounds starting at .020 off the lands and moved towards the lands in .005 increments until I was .010 into them. This morning (Sunday) I was up at 5am and at the range and setup at 5:30 and began testing. I decided this go around I wanted to do my initial testing at 300 yards instead of the usual 500. I'm only posting the best load of this test as from there going towards the lands the groups gradually got worse. So here's my test group at 300 using 35.8 grains of H4350 this is also .020 off the lands.

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This morning it started out a bit cool the temps were 60 deg at testing.

So now I settled on a seating depth it was time to work on the powder charge.
While I was testing at 300 I had a few rounds that needed the second firing to fully form the cases so I moved over and sighted in at 500 and got a good zero.
This evening since I was already sighted for 500 I decided to to run my test for powder charge at 500 as well. The loads started at 35.6, 35.8, 36.0 and 36.2 grains of H4350.
Here are the results at 500 yards of the best group shot. This is 35.8 grains the exact same load tested at 300 with same seating depth as well.

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OnTarget actually has the group a .701 with vertical of .494 and horizontal of .668
I'm pleased with the results and won't do any further testing as with the 22 Dasher your lucky to get 800 rounds fired before the barrel is trashed. There's enough consistency for me to be confident enough between testing seating depth this morning to testing powder charge this afternoon with a 30* temperature spread to say that's good enough for me.
Some may say that's not enough testing, but I've shot this caliber long enough to know where to start and stop and what works and doesn't work.
In all reality if one gets a good 22 barrel and gets a good tune the 22 Dasher will win and outshoot the 6 Dasher in nearly most instances. Mostly because the BC of the 80 grain bullet and being able to push it much faster over the 6 Dasher. For example. I was 3 minutes flatter at 500 yards with the 22 Dasher than I am shooting my 6 Dasher. The down side to really consistent accuracy are in the bullets. With the 22's we are stuck with factory mass produced bullets where the 6mm it seems everyone is making a great handmade custom bullet. If there were the same done for the 22's you would see more on the lines and more winning.
Anyhow I'm closing for now comments are welcomed and if you have any questions please ask.
 
Great work James

All ways interested in your in depth posts - shortens the learning curve for me !

Great effort
 
James,

Very interesting choice of powders that obviously works. Great shooting and nice write up.

Regards, Paul

www.boltfluting.com
 
JamesnTN said:
In all reality if one gets a good 22 barrel and gets a good tune the 22 Dasher will win and outshoot the 6 Dasher in nearly most instances. Mostly because the BC of the 80 grain bullet and being able to push it much faster over the 6 Dasher. For example. I was 3 minutes flatter at 500 yards with the 22 Dasher than I am shooting my 6 Dasher.

What velocities for both?
 
alf said:
JamesnTN said:
In all reality if one gets a good 22 barrel and gets a good tune the 22 Dasher will win and outshoot the 6 Dasher in nearly most instances. Mostly because the BC of the 80 grain bullet and being able to push it much faster over the 6 Dasher. For example. I was 3 minutes flatter at 500 yards with the 22 Dasher than I am shooting my 6 Dasher.

What velocities for both?
My 6 Dasher loads are 3022 fps and as for the 22 Dasher I haven't ran them across the chronograph to say. In past though a slow lot of H4350 would yield 3300-3350 and a fast lot would get me 3375-3400 fps. I'm guessing with 3 minutes difference between my 6 and the 22 I'm easily in the 3400 fps range.
 
JamesnTN said:
In all reality if one gets a good 22 barrel and gets a good tune the 22 Dasher will win and outshoot the 6 Dasher in nearly most instances.

Only one way to prove that statement to be true......


JamesnTN said:
The down side to really consistent accuracy are in the bullets. With the 22's we are stuck with factory mass produced bullets where the 6mm it seems everyone is making a great handmade custom bullet. If there were the same done for the 22's you would see more on the lines and more winning.

One can make good bullets from factory bullets by thorough segregations and necessary improvements (trimming, pointing, etc.)


I dare ya !.!.!
Donovan
 
dmoran said:
JamesnTN said:
In all reality if one gets a good 22 barrel and gets a good tune the 22 Dasher will win and outshoot the 6 Dasher in nearly most instances.

Only one way to prove that statement to be true......


Donavan,

I'm not sure if you were around back in 2005-2008 when I was shooting the 22 Dasher exclusively. Back then there weren't but a few ranges that were shooting IBS 600 yard matches. One being Piedmont, then there was St Louis and I believe another was Bridgeport range. I shot mostly Piedmont and St Louis, I won my fair share of matches in those days and that's back really before we had the expertise of today with annealing machines and figuring out the equipment setups. Yea we all shot well back in those days but winning aggs were 2.5" and above and some times a 3" agg would win just depending on the day.
I can remember as I got more matches under my belt and I saw progression from mid pack to the top ten and then I squeezed into the top 5 consistently the first time I broke the top 5 Dave Tooley made them comment it was just luck. The next few matches I kept shooting in top 5 and then made top 3 and from there I began winning. All that with the 22 Dasher and the 80 grain SMK, needless to say it woke up several folks competing. Then that fall I went to St Louis and shot a single target group record with the 22 Dasher. Unscrewed the barrel and screwed on the 6.5-284 and shot a score record that still stands due to the target size changing. All in all that year I shot 3 records two of which were with the 22 Dasher and one with the 6.5-284.
The 22 proved itself then and I'm hoping I can again. If not I can say is I tried, but I feel that it'll shoot right there with the 6 Dashers and if I do my part it'll win a few matches. As they say Time will tell.

Back then I used a juenke machine to spin my bullets and tested them and at 600 I just couldn't see any difference in accuracy from sorted bullets spun to just grabbing them from the box. Now with pointing dies and such that just may be my help I need for consistency as I mentioned with mass produced bullets vs hand made.

JamesnTN said:
The down side to really consistent accuracy are in the bullets. With the 22's we are stuck with factory mass produced bullets where the 6mm it seems everyone is making a great handmade custom bullet. If there were the same done for the 22's you would see more on the lines and more winning.

One can make good bullets from factory bullets by thorough segregations and necessary improvements (trimming, pointing, etc.)


I dare ya !.!.!
Donovan
 
James, I got a 22 dasher reamer. Have you ever tried the 90s? I shoot a straight 6br now but sure wanna give the 22 Dasher a fair shake. I also shoot a lot of 1k, how do you think they'd do out there?
 
Hoier said:
James, I got a 22 dasher reamer. Have you ever tried the 90s? I shoot a straight 6br now but sure wanna give the 22 Dasher a fair shake. I also shoot a lot of 1k, how do you think they'd do out there?

I've not tried the 90 grain bullets, that to me was a specialty bullet with a special twist barrel and with the experience of that in the 6mm dasher with the 108 FB BIB's and a 9 twist barrel I stayed away from one barrel built around one bullet. I know Rodney Wagner (Eggman) has tried them but I don't know what his success was.
I'm sorry I couldn't be of much more help.
 
It looks like you can go with a sierra 90gr and be in the ballpark in the BC department and beat it with the Berger 90gr. I wonder how fast they'd go.
 
HELLO JAMES GREAT SHOOTING THERE FRIEND
I SHOOT A 22DASHER 8 TWIST 30'' THIS RIFLE LOVES 75GR VLD'S AND N-135 I'LL HAVE TO TRY SOME H-4350 I'M JUST NOT GETTING THOSE SPEEDS ABOUT 3250-3300 IT!!!!!!!
 

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