MIL vs. MOA

[Rob01]

I was going to use Burris Xtreme Signature Tactical rings with a Picatinny Rail. Either 1.25 or 1.50, I wasn't sure which one. That was the next thing for me to look into.

Here are some pics of the DNT on my 700 practice rifle. Those are the 1” height Burris XTR Signature rings on a Badger Ordnance 20 moa base. The second pic I am pointing to the little plug underneath. You can see it in the first pic too. The barrel is an M24 contour so you know.

 

[Rob01]

This is why I think MOA is better for any type of scoring, especially f class.
It's a finer adjustment. With 1/8 clicks, I can easily dial close. Then, given that I know the size of the scoring rings, hold off is easy.

Yup for F Class and BR they are set up known distance and those 1/8 moa will work as you know and why everyone uses them but that’s not what the OP was looking to do.

 

[Steve Donlon]

Where did I say mils were for everyone? I didn’t. I explained they both are angular and work the same but with different numbers. You can use an moa reticle to get corrections just like a mil scope. I have used both. Either will work and neither have anything to do with inches.

You are right, thinking of the muzzle brake conversion. I still think in both at the same time moa and inches. not hard to do. Especially if you know the size of the target. It's in inches.

 

[Rob01]

You are right, thinking of the muzzle brake conversion. I still think in both at the same time moa and inches. not hard to do. Especially if you know the size of the target. It's in inches.

And what if that target is not at an exact distance or you don’t know the distance? Inches mean nothing. Use and trust the scope reticle. That’s why it’s there.

 

[Steve Donlon]

And what if that target is not at an exact distance or you don’t know the distance? Inches mean nothing. Use and trust the scope reticle. That’s why it’s there.

con permiso, I do know the distance. I used MOA in the Marines and also learned how to judge distance in MOA while I was there. What would make you think I did not trust my retical? You got to think beyond PRS. I think you assume to much. The reason PRS or people that shoot like that is because the military uses mils. You can think in bigger numbers, easy to range, fast to dial in your dope and easy to remember. All great things for the military or training. But for target shooters that strive for extreme accuracy MOA is better. Better for hunters too.

 

[Rob01]

con permiso, I do know the distance. I used MOA in the Marines and also learned how to judge distance in MOA while I was there. What would make you think I did not trust my retical? You got to think beyond PRS. I think you assume to much. The reason PRS or people that shoot like that is because the military uses mils. You can think in bigger numbers, easy to range, fast to dial in your dope and easy to remember. All great things for the military or training. But for target shooters that strive for extreme accuracy MOA is better. Better for hunters too.

Well if you are just shooting known distance then you still don’t need inches. Why do you keep bringing it back to a mils vs moa thing? It’s not. It’s an ease of use of angular which is what the scope is in versus linear conversions which aren’t needed. If you trust your reticle then why do you convert to inches?

Also nothing about PRS is mils only. I used MOA scopes in PRS 20 years ago too. Before it was even called PRS. lol FFP moa turrets and reticle. Still no inches. Most use mils now so it’s easier to discuss elevation and windage in mils but still guys using moa in matches.

Those F Class and BR shooters use 1/8 moa but again it’s not what the OP is going to do. Also it’s not the only way to get accuracy. There is precision which is putting the bullets where you want and accuracy which is having a tight group. The 1/8 moa is to put it in the X ring. I realize that. Again not what he is doing. Using 1/4 moa scope I was hitting a moa sized target at 2500 yards with a 408 CheyTac out in Idaho. Should I not have been able to do that since it wasn’t 1/8 moa? When I told him not to go 1/8 moa it was due to those scopes having very limited elevation and him want to get to a mile he needs elevation more than 1/8 moa adjustment.

And I learned marksmanship in the Marine Corps also. Semper Fi.