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Maple Build Story

Back in the first week of December forum member lmmike posted a Fajen maple stock for sale here on the for sale page. I made an offer and found out that he also had a piece of figured maple lumber that he was looking to sell. My Roommate Tucker2844 here on the forum wanted in on it so we bought both pieces of maple one for each of us. Tucker and I happen to be going to Colorado School of Trades together and in the same class and in the portion of the school were you are allowed more freedom for your projects so the timing was perfect for a couple of builds.

Tucker will be posting pictures of our experiences with learning how to work with maple and of the project as it progress's as he knows how to use picture links better then me.

The plans so far for his rifle is to build a 6.5x55 mannlicher on a barreled action I gave him for rent payment. Love having all those extra "future projects" laying around. He decided to buy the board lumber from lmmike which he then had shaped in Colorado Springs by Jim Bizio of heritage walnut almost immediately upon arrival. The stock came out far better then we could have imagined and best of all it had a completely different grain pattern then the Fajen stock I got out of the deal with lmmike. This will allow us to experiment with different finishing techniques on our rifles in the project.

On the subject of finishing we made small flats out of a piece of figured scrap left over from shaping for testing purposes and those pictures will be up soon once Tucker gets them loaded to photo bucket. Some techniques we have tested so far include, tannic acid and aqua fortis, potassium permanganate, chromic acid. Personally I had a rather negative experience with the last of which left me not wanting to play with it again no matter how nice it looked. I planed the flats level and went over them with 400 and then 600 grit paper and whiskered all the flats at 600 till texture when wet was uniform across the figure in the wood.
Starting with the potassium permanganate it was very simple to use and worked fast as the mixture I was trying was alcohol based and dried quickly. The only thing that bothered me a bit was the grain that was darkened by the mixture had a very slight purplish hue to it. Other then that very simple fast and safe comparatively. Apply let dry and sand down top grain exposing the blonde again but now with darker accents.
The tannic acid and aqua fortis while a bit more involved in process gave a very nice darker color to the maple over all and accented the figured areas very well. This finish also seamed to burnish really nicely with a cloth after being sanded down after drying. To apply this you have to put tannic acid on the wood and after drying apply the aqua fortis and warm the wood with a hot iron or in our case a heat gun. A warning for those that want to give this a shot the wood turns as black as ebony when you heat it, just sand it off to reveal the figure and wood again. Tucker had the idea to test out applying the aqua fortis when the tanic acid was still wet to see if changed anything. This caused the a little bit darker effect over all and took less time.
The Chromic acid while very attractive once applied scared me in use. An instructor suggested that I try thinning it down 1 to 1 with denatured alcohol before applying. I put 1 Tsp in a plastic medicine cup and poured some denatured alcohol in another cup. I then measured out enough alcohol and poured it into the acid. About 2 seconds later the two liquids began to react to each other and spattered smoked and splashed making a very a acrid smell that burnt the nostrils. I cleared the bench and let things calm down. I decided to go ahead and try this mixture anyway and dipping a q-tip into the acid caused the reaction to occur again briefly. I applied the acid let dry neutralized the mess with baking soda. After sanding the result was very beautiful but not worth the burning in my nose and the mess it made. Also tried uncut acid however the result was not as vibrant.
 
New to forum and will be doing this build process with Minesweeper. Now onto the pictures, i sorted the photobucket out to make the most sense and annotated each picture with directions of use and explaining each picture.
First the rifle stock pictures
Link to minesweeper's rifle photobucket: http://s1272.photobucket.com/user/Tucker2844/embed/slideshow/Maple%20Build/Minesweeper3433%20Rifle
Link to my own rifle build: http://s1272.photobucket.com/user/Tucker2844/embed/slideshow/Maple%20Build/Tucker2844%20Rifle

The testing was very interesting, as much as minesweeper complained about the chromic acid, it was quite humorous to see his reaction to the fizzling and bubbling mess.
Link to the science experiments with maple: http://s1272.photobucket.com/user/Tucker2844/embed/slideshow/Maple%20Build/Maple%20Finish%20Testing
 
The chromic acid stain looks really great initially but after a couple of years and exposure to the sun it looses the red hue and just turns an ugly brown. If the reddish brown color is the one you're looking for try a NGR type stain available from some of the muzzleloading supply stores. The red hues won't fade and what you get today is what you'll have 2 years from today.
 
I have a soft spot for maple. Keep us updated on progress,m y FN Mauser was built in the late 60s and could use a good refinish to get the grain to pop nice again. It'd be nice to hear what you have the best luck with.
 
Years ago, before I had my machines, I shaped and inletted a curly maple stock with nothing more than hand tools. IIRC it was for a 98.

I suppose I would do it again with a big guy holding a 45 to my head the entire time.

Maybe not..........

Jim

Added: I'm sure your builds are going to turn out just fine.
 
Sorry it took so long to get replies back. spent all of yesterday figuring out CNC programing so i can shave off as much time on the furnishing,(swing swivels, buttplate, grip cap and end cap), as possible.

clowdis said:
The chromic acid stain looks really great initially but after a couple of years and exposure to the sun it looses the red hue and just turns an ugly brown. If the reddish brown color is the one you're looking for try a NGR type stain available from some of the muzzleloading supply stores. The red hues won't fade and what you get today is what you'll have 2 years from today.

The deep red it created was beautiful when it was put on, but got way to dark when it sat for a bit to dry, when mixed with alcohol it was almost black when dried and when sanded back i thought it was just too much contrast with end grain to long grain almost black and white when sanded back. i wasnt a fan of it personally but i supposed it looked good to others in the school when i showed my samples around.

civil82 said:
I have a soft spot for maple. Keep us updated on progress,m y FN Mauser was built in the late 60s and could use a good refinish to get the grain to pop nice again. It'd be nice to hear what you have the best luck with.

well i had really good luck with the aqua fortis finish on wet tannic acid, here is a picture after sanding. http://i1272.photobucket.com/albums/y382/Tucker2844/Maple%20Build/Maple%20Finish%20Testing/20150108_113557_zps8a6138ee.jpg
that is the traditional musket finish for Kentucky long rifles and the like and its done with adding heat after applying and then sanding back revealing differences between end grain and long grain. Minesweeper is of the opinion that he is just going to sand his stock to 1000 grit and then apply finish but the differences in grain patterns are more apparent on his stock than mine own.

rwh said:
Your experience adding solvent to an acid is typical. The safe way to mix an acid with solvent is to add the acid to the solvent, never the other way around. Hope you were wearing goggles.

we always wear safety glasses in school so it was not so dangerous, it certainly wont be a chemistry experiment i forget soon.

pdhntr said:
Years ago, before I had my machines, I shaped and inletted a curly maple stock with nothing more than hand tools. IIRC it was for a 98.

I suppose I would do it again with a big guy holding a 45 to my head the entire time.

Maybe not..........

Jim

Added: I'm sure your builds are going to turn out just fine.

we got much the same opinion from the instructors about the wonderfulness of working with maple but i think it will be a nice change of pace with work with a wood that doesn't have pores you can hide a small child into like some of the walnut stocks i have seen refinished lately.
 
There is a product called Magic Maple that might be worth a try. It is very popular with the muzzleloading crowd and can be found at a supply company called LOG CABIN. Lookin good guys !! I'm glad you have this wood to give it life. Actually this is an amazing first attempt.
 
Some good news on my maple story. I managed to finally get a hold of the headspace gauges I needed to chamber the barrel on my Mauser action. I know am the proud owner of a barreled action in 375 Ruger and can proceed with inletting the stock. I can not yet test fire due to waiting on a new cocking piece to arrive from Sarco but at least work can proceed.
 
Another update. Today I finished polishing metalwork to 400 grit and just managed to use the blueing tanks before close. Stock is bedded now and fore end tip and grip cap are mounted and rough shapped. I will be updating photo's next week to reflect these new changes. I started doing some of the final shaping of the cheek piece after shortening length of pull on the stock to 13.5. I did have 3 small pin holes from some sort of very small not I had to deal with. I decided due their small size I would use supper glue to fill them and so far it's working. I test fired the barreled action in the stock to make sure before finish shaping that nothing would crack/break on me. All was fine so now it's time to finish shape and apply finish to stock.
 
 

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Color turned out spectacular with Tungoil and polish. So far it is only been polished with 3 micron guitar polish however I plan to buff it for more consistency in the finish then apply more coats of the oil before re-polishing it back up to the 1 micron guitar polish. Just not happy with the consistency of the finish over the entire rifle and that was due to running out of time at school to keep applying hand rubs before attempting to polish.

Also the blueing of the gun turned out just as dark as it appears in the picture. The gun turned an absolute black and looks spectacular.
 
Wish I had a better camera to take pics with. Right now i am using an Iphone to take pics with. And as mentioned before I plan on adding some more coats of oil before final polishing. Will find someone with a good camera for some high res pics once final polish is complete. Total rifle build only took about a week worth of work for all metal work and stock shaping. Just real time consuming doing a good old fashioned handrub type finish.


I did get to shoot it this weekend and there are now a few things I want to change. It has a sear overide type trigger and internals similar to a older timney trigger. However under recoil some things moved,I believe the floating sear deformed, and I had to readjust the trigger to get it working again. I am thinking for the sake on durability and reliability I am going to find a way to make a traditional mauser two piece trigger work in this rifle so I don't have to worry about things changing at some inopportune moment.
 
I have a maple stocked rifle in the mannlicher style that was built by Sam Koury years ago. He diluted roofing tar and stained the stock with it. Turned out beautifully.
 
Small update. I was unaware that ebony shrinks so I must do a refinish job to account for the fore end tip shrinking about .010 all around.

However I have never in my life shot a higher recoiling rifle as comfortable as this one. It never hit me until this rifle how literal many smiths are about stock fitment to shooter comfort. I have shot this rifle frequently now and am fixing to clean and this time anneal my cases after 3 firings. I have only had to trim the brass one time so far which I have been taught is due to the sharper shoulder angle. Guess I'll see how long these 20 pieces of Hornady brass last.
 
I just read your post. I am building my first stock. I made it close to the old Tikka Master Sporter design, but instead of doing the stipple and paint forend, I decided that an Ebony inlay would be nicer. Got a block, shaved off the wax. Sliced it up and glued it on.OOPS!! It's shrinking. Now, I've been working with wood most of my life, but this snuck up on me. Most "store bought" wood is kiln dried. Thinking it through, after the fact, it's obvious. Exotic wood from a third world tropical environment coated in wax. Duh! Mine has opened gaps to a 1/16 or more. Not sure, for your sake and mine, just when it will finally stabilize. I can't do my final finish and checkering till it does. Good luck!
 

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