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Lothar Walther?

Hey everyone,

I was just looking at Lothar Walther's website, and I was wondering if anyone had any experience with their barrels. I was planning on going with a Schneider, but I was wondering if Lothar Walther was any better? Also, on their contour page, they list a contour with a muzzle weight, and I was wondering what the purpose of a muzzle weight was?

Thanks for the help.

Dave
 
Muzzle weight contour would presumably decrease the odds that muzzle "trumpets",ID is bigger than in rest of the bore). LW barrels are button-rifled, and blanks are drilled and rifled before contouring, IIRC.

I believe that LW match grade barrels are made just like the regular grade. After rifling the barrels are selected and match grade is lapped etc.

I'd go with US barrel from well-known maker,such as Schneider), if you're not living in the Europe. I can't see that odds getting a good barrel would be higher with LW,actually I think odds would be lower).
 
jthyttin said:
I'd go with US barrel from well-known maker,such as Schneider), if you're not living in the Europe. I can't see that odds getting a good barrel would be higher with LW,actually I think odds would be lower).

please explain why you say this??
experience or just anti Europe phobia

later
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I have a Walther Polygonal in 30-284, hunting rig ) shoots just fine,easy to clean, I'm very happy with it. ....The,muzzle weight )shape is I believe an attempt at TUNING with barrel contours. But ask the Manufacturer
 
LW barrels have a reputation for very high quality, though some 'smiths may be challenged by the hardness of the stainless steel. Check with the guy who's gonna chamber it for you before you spend your $$.

With imported barrels, you'll see the effects of the US dollar's decline reflected in the price.
 
OK, I've been shooting Lothar Walther match program barrels in 6.5 X 284 for years and I don't see myself changing makers. Every L-W barrel has been phenominally accurate, the first chambered with a Clymer reamer and subsequent barrels chambered with one of Dave Kiffs M-42 tool steel no turn neck tight chamber reamers with floating pilot bushings.

Chambering one means the use of a much higher speed than normally used, 300 rpm is a good place to start, and the use of a highly sulferized cutting oil. The M-42 tool steel reamer seems to cut very well. Conversly the L-W steel crowns up very nicely, and threads cut very well too.

Finding a smith can be difficult. I had several well known smiths flatly refuse to work with the L-W stainless. So here's a plug for Mickey Coleman of Greenville Alabama who chambered up my last two barrels and got the chambers to within .0004" of each other. And cut real pretty chambers too. Top notch work at more than reasonable prices. Plus he lives within driving distance for me since I can just drop my stuff off. Let's just say I hate to ship having had a rifle get stolen once years back. And by the way, Mickey is real good people.

Anyhow, uniformity from barrel to barrel,chambered with the same reamer) is excellent, no change in accuracy with the same load.

Now there are plenty of folks who will argue against L-W barrels, a lot of it comes from the fact it is difficult to work with, and some of it seems to come from plain uninformed opinion. The old saw "it isn't on the winning equipment list" which is really a reflection of no one trying anything new or different.

I only offer opinions on equipment and/or services that I have personally owned and/or used, I figure that makes it a valid opinion. If someone tries to tell my about something the first thing I asked is how much did it cost them to buy it, and it's amazing how often folks offering "expert" opinions have never in fact owned and used whatever it is they are offering up "expert" opinions on.

And as far as winning equipment goes, my rig has been there, done that.

I have or have had barrels from A&M, Douglas, Hart, Shilen, Lilja, Kreiger that were all excellent barrels, one or two from Lilja and Hart that were super barrels. Every L-W match barrel I've had has been in the super barrel catagory. You know the kind of barrel, where the only way you can screw up at a match is to think too much and do something stupid. Been there done that too.

Just keep in mind that more than anything else top quality smithing is required to make any barrel from any maker reach it's actual potential, and I've had more than one barrel wasted over the years by poor smithing. A good smith is worth his weight in gold.
 
My problems with the LW barrels are not the difficulties of machining. I had to buy extra reamer bushings to be able to chamber them. I do not like .238 and 2385 bores in my 6mm. Way too loose.
They have a person there,WW, that is not personable at all if you disagree with him. I think if they made a quality BR barrel on a regular basis, the guys would shoot them. The argument that people are afraid of new doesn't wash. If that were the case we wouldn't be using a lot of Broughtons and Bartleins.
Rust, not trying to alter your opinion as you have had good luck with them and I haven't. Yes, I have machined some and shot a couple.
Butch
 
Ogre6br said:
jthyttin said:
I'd go with US barrel from well-known maker,such as Schneider), if you're not living in the Europe. I can't see that odds getting a good barrel would be higher with LW,actually I think odds would be lower).

please explain why you say this??
experience or just anti Europe phobia

I hope I'm not anti Europe, since I live here...,Finland, Europe).

If LW doesn't have super special US pricing, you can get better barrels for less money by choosing a US barrel,presuming you're living in US). LW charges premium price for contouring, lapping etc. which is standard on US barrels from well-known makers.

I can see us on this side of the bond choosing LW for convenience, but BR shooters over here won't shoot LW either. Every once and a while somebody tries LW, but most go through the trouble of getting US made barrels.

I currently shoot one LW barrel on hunting rig and it's GTG. I have also experience with "semi-prefit" LW barrels and they can be crap,e.g. cut from loose spot -> won't hold 2MOA)
 
Butch - I ordered the barrels a few tens tight, and they came that way. But I also ordered my reamer with the full bushing set so it wasn't an issue.

Given the life expectancy of a 6.5 X 284 barrel, uniformity from barrel to barrel is a big concern and thus far the L-Ws have been very consistant. They haven't been any more expensive than any other quality match barrel and less expensive than some which isn't a bad thing either.

Now I'll admit that the individual you mantioned can be a bit abrasive at times. But I haven't had any problems and have gotten exactly what I wanted and ordered.

jthyttin - I haven't found L-W to be expensive. No more so than any other premium match barrel.

I would never go with a pre-chambered barrel in any application where accuracy was the primary concern. To many variables like is the receiver true, are the receiver threads square, are the lugs correct, and many other things that need to be addressed if not within tolerances. An rifle that is to be accurate needs to go to an accuracy smith with a barrel blank and quality reamer set.
 
I was referring to general attitude and workmanship at LW. If you make "semi-prefit" it should be GTG after adjusting the headspace with lathe,machining the shoulder). And I've seen LW barrels which weren't. If they're not going to cut the barrel right, they shouldn't finish the barrel and crowning. Before hunting season, I have to re-cut a LW barrel on my friend's rifle since the muzzle is f*cked and it won't shoot worth a sh*t.

Myself, I don't use prefit barrels either. I'm also quite concerned about contouring a button-rifled barrel after rifling. And as I said, this probly is the way LW uses. Please correct if I'm wrong.

In Europe, LW match barrels cost more than US barrels,Krieger, Bartlein etc.) And I'm including freight costs, customs and VAT in US barrel prices,35% and upwards, combined). And talking about dealer prices,so no marketing involved, just factory prices).

If LW is pricing their barrels competitively in US, they're either taking heavy loss in US or charging heavy premium in Europe. Taking the USD/Euro conversion and LW Europe prices, you should get two Kriegers for the price of one match LW,contoured and lapped), assuming you live in US.
 
I think you missed the post above where the LW barrels sold in the U.S. are manufactured in the U.S.,Georgia). USD/Euro currency conversion need not apply.
 
Rust,
I also order what I call full bushing sets. They match my Deltronic pins. My 6mm, for example, ranges from .2358-.2382 before having to buy larger ones that I only used on the LW. I have that range for my 6.5, 30cal, 338, 358, 223, and 270.
Bear in mind the barrels were brought to me and not ordered by me. That being said if you buy a Bartlein, Kreiger, Lilja, Douglas, Shilen, Broughton, and PacNor, you will not have that trouble.
I am very happy for the ones of you that have had luck making them shoot. If they happen to last longer that is great also.
Butch
 
Monte, I didn't miss the Georgia part, but I cannot see how you could cut the retail price of the barrel in half just pay paying less to US workers. Raw materials cost approx. the same world-wide, as does machinery.

If LW match barrels cost is in the same ball park as US made quality barrels, IMHO it's due to more competitive market in US. Price info on LW in US, anyone?
 
Prices for L-W barrels in the US can be found here. Well, some prices anyway. You have to call them for prices on the Benchrest Barrel Program. For their 32" Special Match Barrels they list a price of $329, not far off from what you'd pay for one of the top brands here.
 
Ach, LW price structure etc. is different on English version of their pages. On European pages they only let you know the price class, and then only dealers have catalogs for the actual prices.

If you take contoured barrels, Krieger SS barrel for LV or HV will cost you $280 and LW SS will cost $277 or $294, depending on length. And LW barrel is not lapped or anything.

And I assume "Special Match" is not lapped either, it's just made from a longer and thicker blank,or at least in Europe they're not lapped unless you order lapping and pay extra).

Anyway, prices seem to follow 1:1 currency conversion ratio, which makes them instantly 1/3 cheaper in US than in Europe...
 

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