• This Forum is for adults 18 years of age or over. By continuing to use this Forum you are confirming that you are 18 or older. No content shall be viewed by any person under 18 in California.

Lot speeds are they by design or luck of the draw

But how would they know you barrel will produce the same velocities? and why 1073, their goal is to produce ammo that will shoot best in a wide range of rifles & pistols, interesting if this is true.

I think I am going to ask Daniel at Lapua I will post what he says.

Lee
i don't have an answer to that.. i am not privy to why. maybe you should ask them.. i was not trying to project that the intent was for "your" barrel.. i would presume that that would for a test barrel that they use.. who knows. i was just relating something that i read in a article, so there you go..
 
i don't have an answer to that.. i am not privy to why. maybe you should ask them.. i was not trying to project that the intent was for "your" barrel.. i would presume that that would for a test barrel that they use.. who knows. i was just relating something that i read in a article, so there you go..

Hey Doc, my question was just that no implications as to why you stated that, just interesting as I never heard of this before.
perhaps setting the goal of 1073 is to produce more uniformed ammo, but as I said why 1073 would be interesting on what is said about this.

Lee
 
Hey Doc, my question was just that no implications as to why you stated that, just interesting as I never heard of this before.
perhaps setting the goal of 1073 is to produce more uniformed ammo, but as I said why 1073 would be interesting on what is said about this.

Lee
emojihandshake.jpg
 
Hey Doc, my question was just that no implications as to why you stated that, just interesting as I never heard of this before.
perhaps setting the goal of 1073 is to produce more uniformed ammo, but as I said why 1073 would be interesting on what is said about this.

Lee
my response was spured by this statement and @garandman was making:

"They number their lots by velocity in m/ sec.

I cant see them doing this if velocity is happenstance / random. It suggests they *focus* on velocity... for some reason".
 
I will guess they will give you some evasive, non descript answer. It seems rim fire ammo technology is better kept than national security secrets. :)
 
Testing platform for free-recoil test shooting, off Pappas and Arnold 1-piece rest 2-2019 - Copy.JPG
I will guess they will give you some evasive, non descript answer. It seems rim fire ammo technology is better kept than national security secrets. :)
All dealings with Lapua has been upfront, if I ask a question I always got an answer. I been to the test center twice, they go out of their way to help shooters.
This last trip I brought a testing platform so I could test off a 1-piece rest, even though Dan had some reservations on how it may not be repeatable versus the vise they use, after we set it up and he checked it out he was satisfied.
I left the platform there for others to use if they wish.

Lee
 
Not indicating they'll be dishonest. Just what Boelter said in his book... the details of 2rf ammo componentry are closely held secrets.

Def interested in whatever U might learn.
 
i think i read somewhere a few years back that Lapua's goal is to produce rimfire ammo that is at or close to 1073 fps

I have stated before, last year I pretty much shot Lapua, as much as anything to give it a real world test in match conditions.
Clint told me at the beginning, in effect, they make it in two flavors, one, low-mid 1070’s and one, low-mid 1080’s.
Indoor guys seemed to prefer 80’s outdoor, 70’s.
I shot 3 lots, all from 1073 to 1076.
 
Not indicating they'll be dishonest. Just what Boelter said in his book... the details of 2rf ammo componentry are closely held secrets.

Def interested in whatever U might learn.

FWIW Steve ‘s book is very basic, he never did , really anything with much other than a factory Annie and /or a 10-22 not a true BR gun and both ELEY and Lapua were then entirely different than present day, so exactly how much do we read into it ?
 
FWIW Steve ‘s book is very basic, he never did , really anything with much other than a factory Annie and /or a 10-22 not a true BR gun and both ELEY and Lapua were then entirely different than present day, so exactly how much do we read into it ?


Lol
 
my response was spured by this statement and @garandman was making:

"They number their lots by velocity in m/ sec.

I cant see them doing this if velocity is happenstance / random. It suggests they *focus* on velocity... for some reason".

Here is a thought. Pure speculation but with some knowledge of production.
It is entirely plausible that when lots get run, machines are subject to calibration and reset.
How much variance would it take on the powder throw or crimp adjustments to yield as little as 5-10 fps published from lot to lot ? I would guess not a hell of a lot since it is so common to see ES ‘s of double digits within the same damn box with regularity. It ‘s pretty rare to find stuff consistently within, say 3 to 5 fps.
While there is a range on velocities, that is far from a predictor of best lots per barrel.
I’m sure like most guys that are serious I have barrels that have good lots ( of ELEY) anywhere from 1052 through 1072 and everywhere in between.
 
Anyway...their entire inventorying system is based on velocity, and as I recall... encodes which machine, componentry mix and operator the ammo was produced on /by.

Not sure what greater indication we need that velocity and specific load details are important to / intentional by them, but Im still interested to learn anything you discover.
 
Last edited:
Anyway...their entire inventorying system is based on velocity, and as I recall... encodes which machine, componentry mix and operator the ammo was produced on /by.

Not sure what greater indication we need that velocity and specific load details are important to them, but Im still interested to learn anything you discover.

How did you come to that conclusion? or is this an assumption based on what you have read from their site or perhaps somewhere else.
If what you are saying is true that speed is an important factor to their protocol. when you go to test why do they not ask which speed you want to test? they ask what are you looking to test in their product line Center X or Midas+
again if speed was an important factor, wouldn't they say well you should test this speed. fact is speed doesn't matter, you just have to see what your setup likes.

Lee
 
For lack of better information, I see it this way ...

In center fire ammo we obsess about things like head space and cartridge over all length and powder charge and primers and all the other components with velocity that all produces being perhaps the single most important factor to accuracy.

As yet, I don't see why rim fire is significantly different than that... I've never heard a convincing argument why rim fire is different... but I'm always open to new learning and information.
 
Lee.... I just observe their pattern of behavior n ask myself why they do what they do.

With velocity being the primary component of their inventory system number, it strongly suggests that velocity is immensely important to the manufacturer and forms a critical component of how they view their own product.

So… why do you think they make velocity the primary component of their entire inventory system if it doesn't matter immensely to them... If it is not a critical measurement in their thinking or just happens by luck/chance?

Why do they go to all the work of testing velocity , recording it, putting it on their website and making it a critical component of their entire inventory system if it's just a luck/chance number?
 
Last edited:

Upgrades & Donations

This Forum's expenses are primarily paid by member contributions. You can upgrade your Forum membership in seconds. Gold and Silver members get unlimited FREE classifieds for one year. Gold members can upload custom avatars.


Click Upgrade Membership Button ABOVE to get Gold or Silver Status.

You can also donate any amount, large or small, with the button below. Include your Forum Name in the PayPal Notes field.


To DONATE by CHECK, or make a recurring donation, CLICK HERE to learn how.

Forum statistics

Threads
166,252
Messages
2,214,395
Members
79,472
Latest member
edix
Back
Top