Looking to purchase Anschutz 22LR (which model)

[Gunraptor]

I just purchase today a new Winchester model 25B (NIB). I have decided to purchase at least 2 possibly 3 high end 22LR
bolts. I have always wanted an Anschutz but am unfamiliar with their model numbers and respective accuracy. I want either a sporter or Varmit/Silhouette type gun with nice wood. On the site they have a model 1712 Silhouette which looks very nice. I have always thought that their 54 action was their best but now a see they have a 64 action.

I think I would be leaning towards new or used in like new condition but accuracy is imperative. Can anyone suggest a model or models that I should consider. I would like to have something to shoot against the Winchester 52B.

A friend of mine has a MPR on a 54 action which I have not seen but he states is like a cross between a sporter and a varmiter and I believe he stated never been fired. Would this be something I should consider.

Would have put a pic of new gun but cannot figure out how to post pic.

I look forward to hearing your comments.

Kind Regards,
Gunraptor

 

[Lesloan]

Your friend's rifle is most likely a 64 action, not a 54. I believe only the 64MPR is an "MPR" (Multi-Purpose-Rifle.) This is not meant to denigrate it; the 64MPR is a very fine and accurate rifle, and the 64 action is a good one. Champion Shooter's Supply is one good source for Anschutz rifles, Champion's Choice is another. Here's a link to the former, which shows the Anschutz sporters.

http://www.championshooters.com/index.php?option=com_virtuemart&view=category&virtuemart_category_id=41&Itemid=111

I suspect you're most likely to be satisfied with either a 1710 or a 1712 in one or another of their various flavors. I have a 1710DKL. There are several differences, the biggest ones being that the 1710's have iron sights and a single-stage trigger, the 1712's no sights and a 2-stage trigger.

 

[udiablo]

IMO, I would stay with the 54 action but am prejudiced since I do not own a rifle with the 64 action.

If cost is a primary factor, the rifles with 54 actions are more expensive than the similar rifles with a 64 action.

The 1712 and the 1710 have the 54 action.

The 1712 Silhouette weighs about 7 ounces less than a 1710 HB, and has a Monte Carlo stock (it's a very nice sporter).

 

[Albany Mountain]

They always had the 64 action. It was the entry level rifle for mainly juniors in the early 70's (maybe earlier). Functional but certainly not the 54 action. Its kinda like GM with the Cadillac models and the Chevy, both will get you there but one in style and a definate pleasure to drive.

 

[mackr]

Go over to rimfirecentral.com, lots of classifieds and guys can give you good honest information. I have a 64 action in 17HMR that shoots consistent half inch at 100yds, also a 1717(54 action) doesn't shoot quite as well but still it's real quality. Mack

 

[Shynloco]

I just purchase today a new Winchester model 25B (NIB). I have decided to purchase at least 2 possibly 3 high end 22LR
bolts. I have always wanted an Anschutz but am unfamiliar with their model numbers and respective accuracy. I want either a sporter or Varmit/Silhouette type gun with nice wood. On the site they have a model 1712 Silhouette which looks very nice. I have always thought that their 54 action was their best but now a see they have a 64 action.

I think I would be leaning towards new or used in like new condition but accuracy is imperative. Can anyone suggest a model or models that I should consider. I would like to have something to shoot against the Winchester 52B.

A friend of mine has a MPR on a 54 action which I have not seen but he states is like a cross between a sporter and a varmiter and I believe he stated never been fired. Would this be something I should consider.

Would have put a pic of new gun but cannot figure out how to post pic.

I look forward to hearing your comments.

Kind Regards,
Gunraptor

Gunraptor,
I do not want to sounds like I'm being overly critical about your post, but when you use a term, like "high end rifle" what exactly are you saying? And as one other posted wrote, an MPR IS NOT a 54 actioned Anschutz and the 54 is the finer of the two actions plus it costs alot more than an entire 64 MPR. Now make no mistake, a 64 MPR is a very accurate shootiing rifle. In fact, my 64 MPR has outshot a few 54 actioned Anschutz's in competition. But a great deal of testing and the addition of a Harrel Barrel Tuner AND spending alot of time and effort in finding exactly which of the higher quality Match Rimfire Ammo's shoots the best in my particular rifle. Rimifre rifles are very sensitive to the ammos they shoot, much more (IMHO) than centerfire rifles.

So getting back to the "high end" post...exactly what do you have in mind in terms of first, what all do you want to use the rifle for AND how much are you willing to spend for a "high end rifle?" A competition grade Anschutz can start out at around $3400 (without a quality scope) compared to a 64 MPR that costs around $1250. And if you decide serious competition is your thing, be aware that many of those guys have custom rigs that can run anywhere starting from $3500 (without glass) up to as high as $8,000 with a high quality scope atop her.

Again, please don't think I'm trying to pick on you or your words. But there is much to be learned about Rimfire rifles, Anschutz rifles and the costs involved in getting a quality rifle. I've always been an accuracy freak and I tried a few brands before moving on to Anshutz which I believe shoots the best for an "across the counter" rimfire rifle. So give us some better and more specific parameters so people can perhaps help you out in determining what will work best for your purposes, whatever they might be. Good luck and have fun, but be aware, this stuff can be addictive and cost you a pretty penny.

 

[Fotheringill]

It really all depends at what you are going to shoot. Squirrels? Paper? Distance?

If you are doing target shooting and are looking for a decent bang for your dollar, a 64 is fine. All things being equal, it should be a bit more accurate than a CZ and even with a Kimber. I have 2 CZ's and was looking for something more than just a bit more accurate and went for a 54 action 1913. With a walnut stock and none of the fancy adjustable attachments and an aluminum stock, it can be had NIB for about $2250 without a scope. I made the leap and am happy I did.

One caveat about purchasing something that is not NIB. You may wind up with someone else's problem. Better to see it first, run a patch through it to detect any bulges and try it out if the seller will go to a range with you. It makes it harder to make a purchase, but you will not be kicking yourself in the rear if all is not as it appears.

 

[webfoot56]

Buy once be happy and purchase a 54 action in either a 1710 or 1712. Try to look at both before you buy and then start looking on the websites. I would not purchase one till I found one with some nice wood. Also buy a new one, you only go around once in life and you deserve a nice rifle. I have a 1712 and I have never regretted the purchase.

 

[Syncrowave]

I am also considering buying one of these rifles, not so much for competition (at least not yet) but to have the most accurate rifle with the best trigger available (within reason and within that price range). This would be used for rec shooting primarily, hunting and possibly competition someday down the road.

Question: If I bought let's say a 1710 with a Model 54 "match" action, would I be able to fire "regular" (non-match grade) 22 LR ammo in it without damage or ill effect ... or would I be required to use match ammunition, possibly because the chamber would be too small for "regular" 22 LR?

Sorry for the noob question, but I'm not a smallbore guy...

 

[Mikey_P]

Question: If I bought let's say a 1710 with a Model 54 "match" action, would I be able to fire "regular" (non-match grade) 22 LR ammo in it without damage or ill effect ... or would I be required to use match ammunition, possibly because the chamber would be too small for "regular" 22 LR?

Sorry for the noob question, but I'm not a smallbore guy...

Not sure if any or all of the cheaper .22 ammo would chamber in a Match 54 chamber. What happens is if the bullet has a large, long driving band, you end up having to force the bolt closed which puts a big load on the locking lugs - not good.

I think you'd be surprised and happy to see how even lower-grade match "practice" ammo (Wolf Match Target, SK Std Plus, CCI Std Velocity) shoots in an Anschutz. Unfortunately, all of these are scarce right now - but then so is the cheap stuff :-[

I compete in prone matches with an older Anschutz 1611 (Match 54 action). No complaints on this end ;D

Good luck with your search!

 

[Albany Mountain]

Question: If I bought let's say a 1710 with a Model 54 "match" action, would I be able to fire "regular" (non-match grade) 22 LR ammo in it without damage or ill effect ... or would I be required to use match ammunition, possibly because the chamber would be too small for "regular" 22 LR?

A match action is not a match chamber. You would probably be safe with normal ammo. Unless you are doing double duty shooting recreationally and the Olympics with the same rifle, it's not a worry.

 

[Dan Hall]

By the sounds of it a 1710D HB would be a good bet. I have one in 22 Mag, 1720D HB, and 22 Hornet, 1730D HB, and they both shoot great. Another one to consider would be the 1416D HB thumbhole. This one is a classy looking little item. Both choices would be a winner.

 

[Fotheringill]

The really, really, cheap ammo (Remington bulk, for one) will not easily fit in a 54, or mine, at least. I also have a bad time with CCI miniMags in my CZ's and my 1913. Middle of the road 22 ammo and better should be no problem.

 

[Shynloco]

The really, really, cheap ammo (Remington bulk, for one) will not easily fit in a 54, or mine, at least. I also have a bad time with CCI miniMags in my CZ's and my 1913. Middle of the road 22 ammo and better should be no problem.

Please don't take this as an offense, but the mere thought of using "cheap ammo" in a 54 actioned Anschutz makes me want to PUKE!

 

[hogpatrol]

The really, really, cheap ammo (Remington bulk, for one) will not easily fit in a 54, or mine, at least. I also have a bad time with CCI miniMags in my CZ's and my 1913. Middle of the road 22 ammo and better should be no problem.

Please don't take this as an offense, but the mere thought of using "cheap ammo" in a 54 actioned Anschutz makes me want to PUKE!

How about a Barska on that 54 action Annie? :-\

 

[Shynloco]

The really, really, cheap ammo (Remington bulk, for one) will not easily fit in a 54, or mine, at least. I also have a bad time with CCI miniMags in my CZ's and my 1913. Middle of the road 22 ammo and better should be no problem.

Please don't take this as an offense, but the mere thought of using "cheap ammo" in a 54 actioned Anschutz makes me want to PUKE!

How about a Barska on that 54 action Annie? :-\

hogpatrol,
Your comment was just plainly cruel!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (lol)

 

[hogpatrol]

Shynloco, I know but I see 50 dollar scopes on thousand dollar rifles all the time on gunbroker. :'( The OP could top off that "high end" .22 with a nice 4x32 Plinker and head to the match.

 

[Fotheringill]

How about a Tasco 4x from Walmart @$6.89?

I have also seen the reverse- A Norinco JW-15 with a Leupold 35x fixed Competition scope at 25 yards from an "expert" hunter.

 

[ChrisNZ]

That would actually make more sense.

I did a little project gun for my 12yr old nephew- chopped one of these down, fitted a suppressor, did what I could with the terrible trigger, smoothed up the grit action but man, could that thing shoot! Not Annie 54 accuracy but it was pretty impressive despite the trigger

 

[shortride]

Bought a Super Match 54 over 40 years ago and still one of the most accurate 22's ever. The best ammo is No 1. Eley Black box, 2. is CCI Green box and 3. is Winchester Wildcat. Yes I said Winchester Wildcat I know it's one of the cheapest, but it shoots better groups than lots of others. Remember this is in my gun yours may like something else. In the last 40 years I've tried just about every brand of 22 LR ammo made and these are my guns best performing loads. I've shot thousands of rounds through this gun with no problems. Just remember keep it clean and oiled and an Anschutz will last a lifetime.