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Looking to make a light mountain rifle...any suggestions?

I'm looking at making a really light mountain rifle. It's going to be chambered in either the the 6.5 Creedmoor or the .260 rem...haven't decided yet but the action/bolt will be the same either way so it dosn't matter at this point. So, if you were going to make a light weight mountain rifle, what would you use? Here are my particulars:

1) Remington 700 action or clone...must be stainless steel, aluminum, titanium, etc (non-rusting)
2) Lilja barrel, probably a number 2 contor (6.5 mm obviously) probably 24"...maybe a number 1 and a shorter barrel, don't know..
3) Synthetic stock
4) Don't worry about scope

So using those particulars, what would you build? Which stock, action, trigger, etc. would you put together? What would be a good weight to accuracy ratio? Would you flute the barrel, bolt, etc.? Lets try to keep the un-scopped rifle under six pounds. As far as price, Lets keep the action/donnor rifle, barrel, trigger, stock, etc. under $2000. Don't worry about gunsmithing costs.

Thanks for your opinions.
 
why not the 308.they are now shooting the 208gn A-max really well.and the BC is a .648 with alot of knock down to give out.but with all the rest sounds good to me.and yeah they let you know that you are shooting a 208gn bullet.varget or R17 is the choice of powder.
 
First you need a featherweight barrel and action. I built a 7mm-08 on a Mauser 98 action (too heavy) with a Douglas featherweight 20" barrel, and Lee Six synthetic stock. It sports a Burris Mini 2-7 on top. With scope, it is around 9 lbs., and shoots well. If I had it do again, the only change I would make would be the action. There are several custom actions around now that are much lighter.
 
I like your choices except for the barrel. I just like Krieger barrels. A nice 260AI would be really nice.
 
Manners Composite MCS-L stock - $445
Surgeon SRA action (or Stiller) - $980
Jewell HVR trigger - $160
Lilja barrel - from $325
Total $1910 plus delivery charges (and maybe taxes?)
Scope, rings, magazine follower and spring, and gunsmithing on top

I think you are in the right ball park....
 
Go to this website- http://www.brownprecision.com/SelectingComponents.htm
Mine is a Model 7 with a #3 Shilen in 6.5x47Lapua, Jewell trigger, Brown Precision stock[pounder] VX111 Leupold 2-8 scope. Weighs 6lbs 10oz.
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I did the metal work and Charlie Santoni did the cerrokote and stock paint. He is very reasonable and prompt.
Butch
 
Dont want to rain on your custom parade but have you considered one of the light weight Kimber Montana rifles? I think it will be half the cost and do everything you need a mountain rifle to do.

Just my 2 cents worth
 
On a whim, I bought a "sporterized" Spanish Mauser.

Someone had cut down the military stock and Bubba'ed a scope mount on it. I was going to clean it up and put a new stock on it, but the damn think grew on me! I am in the process of piller and skim bedding the action and I'm going to leave it alone as it weighs nothing, and I found I really like the 7X57 Mauser. Very light recoil, great ballistics for a California knock-about rifle.

So, I'm keeping it in its crude state as it is an ideal gun to carry through the brush and still kill ANY American game.

But, I also bought a VZ24 action and 7X57 military barrel along with a semi finished laminate stock. This will be my "pretty" gun and will no doubt be a bit more accurate and can be loaded heavier than the M93 small ring Spanish rifle.
 
I'd go with the .260 of the 2 cartridges you listed. The AI version would be even better. For hunting purposes you would just have to form the brass once and be done with it. The AI would get you in the 2900+ range with the 140 size bullet.
 
Pierce short repeater action Includes recoil lug $935
http://www.pierceengineeringltd.com/products.php?item=2

Broughton #3.1 SS 26" barrel, $335 http://www.rifle-barrels.net/barrel.html

McMillian Remington Sporter stock with Edge fill $569 but they might still be on sale for $469 http://www.mcmfamily.com/mcmillan-stocks-hunting-stock-list.php?subnav=branch2d

Rifle Basix trigger $100? http://www.riflebasix.com/

PTG BDL bottom metal (on sale) $63.86 http://www.pacifictoolandgauge.com/

Wyatt long mag box http://www.wyattsoutdoor.com/index.html

Follower $24 http://www.brownells.com/.aspx/pid=10899/Product/MAGAZINE_FOLLOWER

Follower spring and any other small associated parts Brownells.com

Chamber of your choice but mine will be 6.5x47 Lapua as I can hit 2900 fps with 140's and Rel 17.

Oh, and I'm still waiting on the action, barrel and stock. Go figr!

Alan
 
Pick whatever action you wish. I would prefer an older Rem stainless or a Savage.

Go with a 22" barrel in a #2 profile. Velocity will still be good and be able to reach a bit.

Leupold VXii 6-18x40 - believe the best, shortest, and lightest scope out there.

The Duramaxx stocks are light, but strong.

Could even go with a Harris Ultra Light bipod as well.
 
Ive got a Nightforce 5.5-22 x 50 to which I strapped a Browning Mountain Ti 7mm WSM.
Works for me.
Dont carry a spotting scope x22 scope is good enough with my Leica 10x42 Geovids
 
How light do you consider "light"? In my book, anything much over six pounds is a certainly a lighter rifle but not really a light mountain rifle. As mentioned before, the Kimber Montana is a factory rifle for around $1000. I got one in as my mountain rifle in 7-08 and it weighs just a hair over six pounds with a scope, sling, and four cartridges sporting 140 grain bullets in the magazine. It shoots MOA with 140gr TSX's leaving the 22" barrel at 3000fps, which has proven to be plenty of medicine. Last fall it even proved itself on a large moose about 6 miles back in the mountains. The Kimber Montana is a good choice if you want a mountain rifle for a good price. It's hard to build a 6 pound gun for less. However, the accuracy of the Kimbers seems to be variable (mine shoots only one bullet at MOA, and I tried a LOT before I found it!), so if you have the time and money and want a special rifle for the mountains for under $2000, you'll have to build it.

This is what I have in mind:

I chose the 7mm bore on my Kmber since it was possible that I would end up shooting a moose with it, but if I were to build a custom rifle for only mountain deer, goats, sheep, and maybe the occasional elk I would probably go with a 6.5mm in a Savage short action. The reason for this is that Savage short actions will fit cartridges close to 3" long, whereas my Kimber takes nothing a hair over 2.8". That extra .2" comes in really handy when it comes to powder capacity and seating the long, high BC 6.5mm bullets. In short, you can't do without it if you want to use high BC bullets. I have a Savage short action target/tactical rifle chambered in 260 Rem, and it spits the 130 grain Bergers and Accubonds at 3100fps using RL-17 out of a 25" barrel. In a mountain rifle I would go with no more than a 22" tube, but even so I'm guessing you could still get between 2900 and 3000 fps from a 130 grain pill, with a much higher BC than anything you can fit into a .30 caliber or 7mm short action.

The Savage action will certainly weigh more than the small, light Kimber action, but it will only cost you less than $400 to pick one up new (less for a used one), and you could put the money you save toward lightening the action (fluting the bolt, skeletonizing the bolt handle, etc.). I think the Savage action will be the more accurate of the two as well. I'm guessing (and I intend to find out someday!) that with a custom 22" barrel in an ultralight contour, a Savage stainless short action, and a Lone Wolf Summit XL stock (under 15 ounces) you could end up with a gun very near 6 pounds that be a dream to pack and will shoot .5xx-.6xx BC bullets in the 130-140 grain range at 2800-3000 fps. Wind drift is minimized, sectional density is phenomenal, and down range energy is plenty for medium sized (ie mountain) critters out to 500 yards.

I would reject 200+ grain .300 caliber bullets out of a short action. Bullets that long will seriously cut into powder capacity in a .308 case. My personal preference is also to stay away from the WSMs, since the extra powder capacity they offer comes at the expense of requiring a 24" barrel, which is kind of going backward in the weight category. Even if you were able to match the ballistics of a 260 Rem (or 260 Ackley) with a .30 caliber bullet, recoil in a 6 pound rifle shooting it would be frightful!

I put the 3x9 Leupold Ultralight (vx-II) on my Kimber, and it's what I would probably go with if (when??) I build my 6.5mm mountain rifle. Sure, a bigger, higher power scope can add an advantage beyond 500 yards, but it's just not worth it to me. It's also a neat idea to use a 20x scope as a spotter in the mountains, but when I'm trying to decide whether that ram 1 mile up the mountainside is worth going up after or not, I'm still going to want a 40+ power spotting scope to help me decide. In my mind you can add a lot to your rifle to make it do everything, but the more you do that the further you get away from its main purpose: to be very light and easy to pack in the mountains.
 
I have a shilen barreled moutain rifle- fiberglass camo stock- stailess barrell= all parts plated subdued nickel

30/06

I think it is unfired- I got it 15 years ago or so-

replacement would be $3500 if you could get shilen to do a hunting rifle again-

$1077 and its yours or trade of items that I am interested in

gnbug@prodigy.net

Gene
 
I'd go with the .260 of the 2 cartridges you listed. The AI version would be even better. For hunting purposes you would just have to form the brass once and be done with it. The AI would get you in the 2900+ range with the 140 size bullet.

Hate to rain on your parade so late, but it'd be good for future use when other come looking. I'm getting 150s to 2925 in a 6.5 Creedmoor. The 260, AI or standard, only works well in a long action.
 
I have a 6.5 Creedmoor built on a Deviant Ultralight with Proof Research barrel. It sits in a McMillan Game Warden Carbon stock. It weighs less than 6 1/2 lbs. I ordered a reamer from JGS and had it ground for the 130 gr class bullets. It really likes the Sierra Game Kings with the 'rosebud' hollow point. I bought some of the new Game Changers to try as well. Good luck with your build.

Gerald
 
If light weight is the most important consideration, a TC Encore would be a good choice. Even with a 26 or 28" barrel it's still shorter and lighter than most bolt actions. The downside is slow follow up shots. Several aftermarket barrels are available in a wide variety of calibers.
 

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