Looking for standing shooting fundamentals instruction

[SteveOak]

I used to shoot High Power and Smallbore Rifle Silhouette but due to circumstances have not been able to shoot for quite a few years. I am thinking of taking it up again and think that this would be a good time to work on fundamentals.

There doesn’t seem to be much in the way of books on technique for Rifle Silhouette but I am thinking that at least some of the technique from other shooting disciplines that shoot standing should carry over even though shooting shoes, shooting coats and slings and pretty much anything that would be of any help is not permitted.

Can anyone recommend books that teach and illustrate fundamentals of standing shooting? Really looking for the mechanics of standing shooting rather than reading the wind and so on.

 

[aloreman]

Jim owens. Sight alingment trigger control and the big lie

 

[Jose_Luis_G]

Take a look here
http://www.issf-sports.org/theissf/academy/e_learning/rifle.ashx

 

[EWaugh]

Find your Natural Point of Aim.

 

[coford]

David Tubb's book the Rifle Shooter has some very good instruction on shooting offhand.

 

[Dusty Stevens]

For silhouette shooting in my opinion the best book is written by a russian for olympic shooters and is verrrrry expensive. I dont have it and cant remember the name but my offhand shooting contacts tell me to get it since i shoot a few silhouettes myself. They say it is the best

 

[LRCampos]

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I had shoot quite a number of Silhouete Shooting and looked for ISSF 3 position and standing books.

The ISSF shootesr are the best shooters on shooting stand, but it may have some diferences as ISSF shots indoor (mostly) and NRA Silhouette is outdoor.
Another diference is that ISSF shooters uses shooting coat, pants and shoes, what gives mucho more stability than casual clothes.
But I think that the fundament is the same.


LRCampos.

 

[gme]

The most technical book on position shooting

 

[chkunz]

I am an NRA high power rifle competitor and I teach the fundamentals of marksmanship and the National Match Course shooting positions and I have written some papers on these subjects. One of these papers is on the standing position. If you would like a copy send me an email at chkunz@bellsouth.net and I will send you an electronic copy.

 

[SteveOak]

Thanks for all the replies.

I ordered Jim Owens' book.

Might this be the Russian book? 'Competitive Shooting: Techniques and Training for Rifle, Pistol, and Running Game Target Shooting' 1st Edition by A.A. Yur'yev

I wondered too if the equipment permitted in other shooting disciplines, coats, boots/shoes, gloves, pants, canting of the butt pad, palm rest, slings etc. might have an impact. If I understand it correctly the stance taught by ISSF is differs somewhat from what Owens teaches.

Thanks Gary, I will have a look at 'Ways of the Rifle.'

Thanks to chkunz for the gracious offer. Email sent.

 

[Dusty Stevens]

Yes steve thats the book. Its translated so may come across weird at times. Ive always wanted it but couldnt stand to pay that much.

http://www.amazon.com/dp/0935998535/?tag=accuratescom-20

 

[chkunz]

Yes steve thats the book. Its translated so may come across weird at times. Ive always wanted it but couldnt stand to pay that much.

http://www.amazon.com/dp/0935998535/?tag=accuratescom-20

It is a great book, fortunately I bought it when the NRA first offered it at a reasonable price. I did notice that Amazon has some used copies for $50. Also keep a look out at gun shows, sometimes you can find these old great reference books at a reasonable price.

 

[SteveOak]

I got Owens' book yesterday. Pretty disappointing. Almost no discussion of the standing stance, standing hold position or technique other than a paragraph on foot position.

That is really what I am looking to do. Build a solid foundation for the standing position

 

[tjtjwdad]

David Tubb's book the Rifle Shooter has some very good instruction on shooting offhand.

Yep. It starts on Chapter 1, Section 2 page 43.

 

[chkunz]

I would offer some caution when using the standing position described by Tubb. A competitor with a lot of experience and a classification of master or high master would be ok with experimenting with some of the advanced techniques he describes for the standing position. But some of his methods may be too advanced for the beginner or intermediate competitor. Overall his book is a great resource for helping teach all levels of competitors and especially those shooting a match rifle but less so for the service rifle.

 

[chkunz]

Jim owens. Sight alingment trigger control and the big lie

I have all of Jim Owens books and have found them very helpful especially in the days when we were shooting the M14 in the service rifle class. They are still a good resource but not as much today with the AR versions of the service rifle and our newer tube gun type match rifles. Still, overall I recommend them for the beginner and intermediate level competitor.

 

[SteveOak]

Take a look here
http://www.issf-sports.org/theissf/academy/e_learning/rifle.ashx

This looks quite promising. Very much the kind of information I am looking for.

This type of shooting (I don't know what it would be called.) allows an adjustable butt plate which can be canted and would facilitate a hold position that would not be possible with an NRA Rifle Silhouette compliant stock which would not permit an adjustable butt plate. It also allows a palm rest and maybe a pistol grip, also not allowed.

I am pretty limited as to stock selection. The NRA Rifle Silhouette rules are rather restrictive and I shoot left handed with a right handed action.

I am looking at something like this for a stock:

Or possibly this:

This one looks to me to have a pistol grip but the manufacturer claims that it is NRA Silhouette compliant.

In the past I used stocks like this:

But I could never really get my left hand (trigger hand) comfortable so I am looking at different configurations.

 

[Dusty Stevens]

That anschutz pattern mcmillan you showed first (the blue one) is the standard by which all other silhouette stocks are judged. You can hold it solid as a rock. All parts of that stock were made for MS hence the anschutz model number 54MS. If you were closer to me id let you try mine on my swingers

 

[SteveOak]

Very kind of you to offer Sir, thanks.

It looks as though I will be relocating to the Los Angeles area. I am being recruited by SpaceX.

Hopefully there will be someone at the Los Angeles Silhouette Club that has a left handed Mcmillan stock that I can handle.

Actually that is the Mcmillan Anschutz Silhouette as the Master Silhouette is not available for a left handed shooter.

Here is the Mcmillan MS. Not a whole lot different. A little beefier in the grip and cheek piece area and the cheek piece is a little higher.

And the Mcmillan Anschutz for comparison:

The Mcmillan Anschutz is available in a left handed shooter/right handed action configuration.

The Richard's Microfit"Tac-Driver" Silhouette Style looks interesting and would be much quicker to get than the Mcmillan. Probably worth a try.

 

[Dusty Stevens]

If its a typical richards stock you just take a piece of wood, knock the bark off of it then shape it to whatever you want. A sporter or varmint stock are the same its just how much wood you whiddle off