Looking at new long range rifle - Tactical Operations Inc - GA Precision

[joshb]

Here’s a pic of the 338 Win Mag. I have about $2000 in this gun, but I made my own stock for it. That includes the S3 10-50 scope.

 

[FrankG]

David , you are right.

They have they’re custom standard rifles per say and they will also build one off guns. So they do both.

The one off guns will take longer as it’s usually not parts (stocks, barrel contours etc...) that they can readily pull from.

For us it’s the barrels....they have they’re standard contour, calibers and twist that they always have on order but then they will call and say they need a certain spec. Barrel etc...and will give us a name to reference for the po so when it comes in by them they know who the barrel is for.

Later, Frank
Bartlein Barrels

 

[Ned Ludd]

I think what Joe just means is that GA is very focused on one part of the accurate rifle spectrum, tactically useful weapons, as opposed to one off match toys. Their subject guns in writes up certainly don’t give the impression that they work with a great variety of “custom” actions or stock materials, such as shooter specific wood. They pursue and win such weapons contracts and their line doesn’t stray too far from those as far as I’ve seen. Certain Remington Custom shop products are basically higher end M-40’s. OP mentioned a particular sniper, and an accepted combat round, which WSM’s aren’t, so it’s very logical a precision “issued” or similar weapon with a type and actual name, is going to be the rifle’s criteria.

Do you own a GAP rifle? Have you ever had GAP build you a custom rifle? If not, then you don't have the faintest idea what you're talking about, either. GAP will build as "custom" a rifle as the customer requests, period.

 

[davidjoe]

Ned, it sounds like you have some pictures of your own non-tactical Custom GAP rifles you’d like to show and I’m most eager to see them.

Or you can keep walking back your statement. Becoming the “owner” of one gun and there have been plenty, never telegraphed to me knowledge of what other products the manufacturer made or focused on.

 

[FrankG]

Ned, it sounds like you have some pictures of your own non-tactical Custom GAP rifles you’d like to show and I’m most eager to see them.

Or you can keep walking back your statement. Becoming the “owner” of one gun and there have been plenty, never telegraphed to me knowledge of what other products the manufacturer made or focused on.

I can take a couple pictures of my rifle if you like and post them.

It’s built on a Badger Ordnance M2008 left hand action. McMillan A5 stock. Defiance bottom metal. GAP fitted up two barrels for me originally. A .308win barrel M40 contour finished at 24” with a Surefire brake for the suppressor. 2nd barrel they fitted at the same time is a mod. Rem. Varmint contour in .260 Rem with a 1-8.2 twist and finished at 24” also but no brake/suppressor attachment. Just late last year I had another 6.5mm barrel fitted up by Wade Stuteville in 6.5cm and chambered with his reamer (he had a reamer with a shorter throat that I wanted and we didn’t have a reamer like that so Wade installed the 3rd barrel for me). GAP pillar bedded the stock on the original build as well. The 3rd barrel is a Hvy Palma contour finished at 23” and has a 1-6.75 twist.

When the gun was first built it had a US Optics scope on it but now is wearing a Vortex Razor GenII.

GAP has also built several other rifles for guys in the shop as well. All non standard GAP rifles.

Later, Frank
Bartlein Barrels

 

[FrankG]

GAP also reworked/tuned a factory Rem.700 trigger which is still in the rifle and works excellent as well.

And the answer is no to the question that the work was done for free. I paid for it. Minus the cost of the barrels of course.

 

[davidjoe]

I can take a couple pictures of my rifle if you like and post them.

It’s built on a Badger Ordnance M2008 left hand action. McMillan A5 stock. Defiance bottom metal. GAP fitted up two barrels for me originally. A .308win barrel M40 contour finished at 24” with a Surefire brake for the suppressor. 2nd barrel they fitted at the same time is a mod. Rem. Varmint contour in .260 Rem with a 1-8.2 twist and finished at 24” also but no brake/suppressor attachment. Just late last year I had another 6.5mm barrel fitted up by Wade Stuteville in 6.5cm and chambered with his reamer (he had a reamer with a shorter throat that I wanted and we didn’t have a reamer like that so Wade installed the 3rd barrel for me). GAP pillar bedded the stock on the original build as well. The 3rd barrel is a Hvy Palma contour finished at 23” and has a 1-6.75 twist.

When the gun was first built it had a US Optics scope on it but now is wearing a Vortex Razor GenII.

GAP has also built several other rifles for guys in the shop as well. All non standard GAP rifles.

Later, Frank
Bartlein Barrels

To me, a “tactical” rifle is why they exist to begin with, and one that hangs with dedicated match toys that are unusable once off the line, is the pinnacle of rifle-making. Every competition rifle I have looks “too tactical,” most guys say. I have maybe two straight taper 1.25” barrels in some 100, and not a single one on an F-Open rifle that travels. My F-Open actions are Cerakoted chrome-moly Surgeon XL’s that weight 4.5 pounds and require 1.5” tapered bar stock. No idle talking here, Ned. I believe all your GAP rifles are tactical and that’s why I wrote what I did, after your post.

Candidly, Frank, I was just trying to figure out if Ned is serious that I don’t have the “faintest idea” about the forte of one best tactical rifle makers extant, when I say that they mainly focus on tactical rifles, (as if there’s something wrong with that.) If I’ve got that focus incorrect somehow, any branching out is necessarily to a less demanding genre of rifle-making, as far as I’m concerned.

And Ned, when it comes to custom tactical rifles, one of the things that makes them tactical to begin with is how adjustable and practical the stocks are. So, when a manufacturer sources these stocks for their rifles, then excellent barrels from Frank, and so on and so forth, yes, to some extent there’s less customization being done than on say Benchrest job from a slab, and there’s nothing wrong with that, nor is it something to jump on guys about.

 

[FrankG]

They also build F class guns, sporting rifles and now Ko2M guns as well. Not to mention...

RF’s and .50s as well.

We’ve made them barrels from .20 cal up to .50cal. And odd stuff like 8mm barrels for .325WSM guns etc....

 

[Ned Ludd]

Ned, it sounds like you have some pictures of your own non-tactical Custom GAP rifles you’d like to show and I’m most eager to see them.

Or you can keep walking back your statement. Becoming the “owner” of one gun and there have been plenty, never telegraphed to me knowledge of what other products the manufacturer made or focused on.

I haven't walked back anything. You're the one walking back your statement by adding the term "non-tactical" and attempting to make your own definition of what the term "custom" means. Who gives a rat's ass what the rifle looks like? That has nothing to do with whether it is a custom rifle. Clearly you haven't ever even spoken directly with GAP, or you wouldn't be making the claim they don't build a custom rifle. Sorry, but they do. Meaning you really don't have the faintest idea what GAP can do. Maybe you should call them yourself and find out directly from the source exactly what "custom" options they offer. I have quite a few rifles made by GAP where I chose the stock and its dimensions, I chose the action, I chose the barrel, I basically chose every single item that went on the rifle and I sent in my reamers to have the chambers cut. If you don't think that is a "custom" rifle in every respect, regardless of whether it looks "tactical", you're dead wrong. No tactical shooter in their right mind is going to carry around an 18 lb rifle with a 30" barrel, regardless of how "tactical" it looks.

 

[davidjoe]

There’s that “faintest idea,” again. Save that for where it applies. I don’t have the faintest idea of whether there’s a lost silver dollar at the bottom of the Mariana Trench. I’ve got a darn good idea of GAP products because I know how to read, friend, and they themselves, with others have described their work in detail for many, many years, now. I’m not going to argue more with one of the few guys that likes the same kind of guns for competition that I do and puts his name on his posts.

Best, Ned. David