Longest distance for 90% hit rate ?
- Thread starter Hammer
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Minesweeper3433
45B/91F
Myself for that high of a ratio I would put it at 200 yards with my bolt action or my AR would be at 150 yards.
Hammer said:
It will be interesting to read the responses to this question! LOL Seeing as nobody has to or has anyway to 'prove' their percentage and with it being the internet and all my guess is a 15-20% 'fudging' of numbers.
Are 100% of the shots with an adult standing at attention? A lot more meat than a head shot or shoulder shot with one half way out of his hole or on all 4's grazing in the grass.
Wind? How much and constant or switching direction?
How fast and precise are you selecting targets? Meaning are you there to see how many you can kill or how many rounds you can shoot? How young/small are the pups or all adults? I ask this because you have 3-4 times the target size between when the young ones come out and an adult dog which will make a huge difference (well it does to me).
I have rarely ever heard or heard discussion of kill ratio to ammo spent! Most want to brag about how many hundred or even THOUSAND rounds they shoot in a day or trip! If you don't have the carcass to prove a hit what does a gut shot count? If you find blood that doesn't confirm a kill. Therefore are you shooting to just "hit" a pdog or kill him? If your primary goal is to "hit" them and secondary to kill them then that is a big difference.
Most here will disagree with me because it is ONLY a pdog so they and coyotes etc it doesn't matter how they die. Guess I am a bit twisted but don't find their life any different than any other animal, none of them deserve to suffer and you either kill them or stay home and watch Jackie Bushman on TV!
My worthless .02 cents worth! Let the bashing and exaggerated statistics begin.
Respectfully,
Dennis
What a downer from SDW!
On a hot spring time town where you get a lot of shots at 100 to 250 yards we often get 18 or 19 out of 20. We shoot 223 or 204 from the bench. Most misses would be a head shot, gust of wind, or stretching the distance.
Later in the year shooting a lot of 200 to over 400 yards with some wind, we take turns shooting 10 shots then spotting for 10 shots. 5 out of 10 is good. Sometimes we do a little better but often times not that well, especially beyond 350.
Set ups where we shoot out to 500 and more get real tough. We all get one occasionally but percentages are terrible. Some of our guys don't even try those.
I did 3 for 7 at 675 yards in May with my 20BR and that is exceptional in my world.
On a hot spring time town where you get a lot of shots at 100 to 250 yards we often get 18 or 19 out of 20. We shoot 223 or 204 from the bench. Most misses would be a head shot, gust of wind, or stretching the distance.
Later in the year shooting a lot of 200 to over 400 yards with some wind, we take turns shooting 10 shots then spotting for 10 shots. 5 out of 10 is good. Sometimes we do a little better but often times not that well, especially beyond 350.
Set ups where we shoot out to 500 and more get real tough. We all get one occasionally but percentages are terrible. Some of our guys don't even try those.
I did 3 for 7 at 675 yards in May with my 20BR and that is exceptional in my world.
SDW brought up a good point. Hits and kills. I shoot to kill but hits count. I want then to die out of the hole but if they make it in they will probably die anyway. It is very hard to walk out to a dog without a person to guide. Those darn mounds look alike. I have seen enough dead and I don't need to get parts nor do I take part in pd shooting competition.
As to the question it depends on so many factors that only you can answer it. I have seen a few guys who could not get 50% if the pd was at the end of a bayonet. Almost to an exclusion my high round count days were 300yds and less.
As to the question it depends on so many factors that only you can answer it. I have seen a few guys who could not get 50% if the pd was at the end of a bayonet. Almost to an exclusion my high round count days were 300yds and less.
Have shot the rats for nearly 20 years.
A hit ratio that high, with typical prairie conditions, could only be accomplished at ranges slightly over 200 yards.
Much depends on equipment used, caliber, and the amount of trigger time the shooter has had on the prairie.
A hit ratio that high, with typical prairie conditions, could only be accomplished at ranges slightly over 200 yards.
Much depends on equipment used, caliber, and the amount of trigger time the shooter has had on the prairie.
Just got back from PD fields in Billings MT under 250 yards with 6/284 22/250 and AR-15 223 of which I was able to take out quite a few at 300 yards .
I keep track of my hits/misses by putting empties down for hits and up for misses, using my 223 over the years I have come to expect a 90% or slightly better hit ratio within 200 yds. Even adding an additional 50 yds will lower it some and at 300 yds it starts dropping considerably depending on wind and mirage.
The original question brings up another question though. How do you score doubles and triples, do you add them to your tally or do they count as one since they only took one shot? I count them as one shot since my counting method does not allow me to differentiate which were single and double hits.
drover
The original question brings up another question though. How do you score doubles and triples, do you add them to your tally or do they count as one since they only took one shot? I count them as one shot since my counting method does not allow me to differentiate which were single and double hits.
drover
been shootin them since 1984, have taken them by 22lr (out to 90yd) about 50-60% hits,
221, 222, 223, 22-250, 6x47R, mostly, all very accurate rifles, capable of <.300 and some <.250 under bench conditions,
I shoot of bench which I take with me,
have competed it BR and done decently well as well as other regumens,
I never get over 60% overall, 75-80% out to 250 is good 90% under 200 is a good day - rare to say the least.
never considered the 1000 shot per day as doable or true, consider the hour x 60 minutes and it can not be done.
Bob
221, 222, 223, 22-250, 6x47R, mostly, all very accurate rifles, capable of <.300 and some <.250 under bench conditions,
I shoot of bench which I take with me,
have competed it BR and done decently well as well as other regumens,
I never get over 60% overall, 75-80% out to 250 is good 90% under 200 is a good day - rare to say the least.
never considered the 1000 shot per day as doable or true, consider the hour x 60 minutes and it can not be done.
Bob
I have been shooting PD's once a year for several years (after I quit shooting competitive BR), and I would agree with most of the posts above. 60% would be a good all around average out to 400 yards, especially if the dogs haven't been shot much & are willing to pose nicely. When I get my annual opportunity to shoot PD's, I'm too busy shootin' to be countin', if you know what I mean. Y'all have fun & don't make too much work of it.
snert
Silver $$ Contributor
I never hunted PD, but shoot a lot of the big rodent, Groundhog. I am glad to hear guys actually say that they are at 90% at 150-200 max. I always kinda figured that anything over that had to be darn hard cause here in little wind (usually5MPH) a headshot g-hog at 200 90% time is doable, but not always. 300...not so much. At 300 I start shooting minute of groundhog and no matter how far away they are, when I hit them in the head it is because I am a great shot. When I hit em in the butt it is wind. When I miss, must be the spotter. 8)
Thanks for the honesty guys.
Snert
Thanks for the honesty guys.
Snert
effendude
Gold $$ Contributor
I shoot off the ground with a bipod, no rear bag. .223 bolt rifles mostly but also the occasional AR. I believe that pretty much anything inside of 200 yards should be doable with the first shot. Beyond that, I usually get up and sneak closer. It is fun to bang away at the dogs farther away but mirage and wind usually make that a waste of ammo with the light V-Max bullets.
I have the most trouble when a PD starts barking 15 yards away and all I can see is an eye and the top 1"of the head. My brain, suffering from heat stroke, along with a dehydrated body full of cactus spikes, will panic and won't remember whether to hold high or low on point blank shots. After a brief mental argument, I usually get it right, but not much more than 75% of the time. I should tape point blank the instructions on the side of my rifles!
Scott
I have the most trouble when a PD starts barking 15 yards away and all I can see is an eye and the top 1"of the head. My brain, suffering from heat stroke, along with a dehydrated body full of cactus spikes, will panic and won't remember whether to hold high or low on point blank shots. After a brief mental argument, I usually get it right, but not much more than 75% of the time. I should tape point blank the instructions on the side of my rifles!
Scott
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