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Long Range 22 cal suggestions

Hi Folks,
I am looking for caliber suggestions for a new build of a long range 22 centerfire rifle. I have a new Kriger 1x8 TW heavy barrel and a Hall M action to work with. Plan on using the 75-80 gr bullets with goal of 800 yds plus. I have 22-250's and 220 Swifts. Anyone with a better idea?

George
 
Well let`s see here.................

220 Swift
22-250
22-250AI
22BRX...This is the one i`m doing with 75 Amax
22Dasher
22BR
22-243
22-243AI

I`m sure there are others...
 
George,

I have this really strange disease of doing things different......... :o

I`m going to use it for a live varmint gun at medium to long distances 500+ and windy conditions that my .223 50Vmax combo quits at.

Plus... i figured that burning less powder,and still achieving the speeds that i`m hoping to get,will be just the ticket for my application....

Phil.
 
Barrels are kind of like bullets, consumables. About the only requirement is being able to carry the bullets to the longer ranges ACCURATLY. The 22 BR as in the last post seems to have about the same MV as a 22-250 so that caliber is one of the choices on my list. Others on my list are the 220 Weatherby Rocket, 22 Dasher or BRX, 22-250 AI and the 22-6.5X47L. Haven't seen much on the last one so don't know how sucessful it is. No 22-284 or 22-243 Just don't like them.

Looking for personnel experences with any long range calibers in 22.

Thanks
George
 
I don't have experience with the .22X47L but I believe Fred Moreo did some chambering of it. I read that the capacity is between the .22-250 and the .22-250AI. I have a 6.5 and all I can say is the case is a joy and read that primer piercing is the pressure limitation. I think a box of 100 cases will outlive a barrel!
 
I would go with a 22-250AI

I built one looking to the same thing you are doing.

Barrel life is a little better, usually, than other necked down 22's

Pretty easy to reload for and they are a dream to shoot.

I'm currently using 80 SMK's out of mine, shoots GREAT at 600 yards for a lightweight gun!
 
Build a .22 Dasher and never look back. Will run with a .22-250AI and have 50% better barrel life. Based on ownlng both. 8)

Regards, Paul.

www.boltfluting.com
 
My selection list is getting shorter. Now down to the 22BR, 22 Dasher/BRX and the 22x47L. Does anyone have info on the 22x47L. Reamer specs, loading data or results in the field with 75/80 gr bullets.

Thanks
George
 
One more that hasn't been suggested.... how about a 22XC? Less or no firefoming required. I know of 3 of these in service now and everyone seems to be happy with them. Love the 220 Swift as I do.... I'm seriously considering this round as the replacement if or when I shoot the barrel out of the Swift that I have now.

Also am a fan of the 22br. But all that aside.... the 220 Swift is still king of the varmint cartridges IMHO. WD
 
WD,
I have to agree with you on the Swift. Have had several over the years and still have one. I am looking for something new and even though I have 22-250's and Swift now plus having a couple of 6mm guns I am a 22 cal fan. And keep coming back to them.

40x Guy here on the list is another big fan of the Swift and I have talked to him about the 220 Weatherby Rocket and I do keep that caliber in the back of my mind. Course I get hung up by having to buy a new reamer for that one. Now, if Lapua comes out with brass for the Swift then all bets are off and I'll have new Rocket.

Everyone has their favorities and I am looking around to see what all is out there and new to me.

George
 
George,

I built a 22XC, “Modern Day Swift per Varmint Hunter 2009 article” mainly for comparison and have something different, it’s a 1:8 twist set up for 75 or 80 grain bullets. WD/Wayne and I e-mailed before about my results, as he also seen them first hand. 40X Guy is not only shooting partner, but my cousin. Big fan isn’t the word; it’s more like the “king of” swifts or rockets, or I like the word of lasers.

Frank and I both share the test bench and believe me, I can tell some action stories over the years of shooting together. Am I satisfied? I had fun with it, I haven't pulled the trigger this year for other reasons. Now, if I decided to run 50-55 grains bullets and a barrel change, I often wondered what the outcome would be drag racing Frank, as we both know where the limitations are for all three calibers.

Steve
 
George, if wanting the ultimate long range 22 cal. and king of the hill for power and speed that would be the 22-284. Plus the added benefit of having lapua brass as the parent case. I had one of these fire breathers built in the mid 90's by Neil Jones with an 8 twist 30 inch lilja barrel and it was easy to drive 69 Sierra's at 4000 fps. I owned this rifle before I really knew a whole lot about reloading for accuracy (still don't today ;D) and never did get it to shoot 80 grainers well. Plus the brass prep is a whole lot of work. After playing with it on and off for about one year I sold the rifle which was a dumb mistake. Next on the list of firebreathers would probably be a 22-6MMAI or a .224TTH (same thing). High pressure cartridge and best bet would be to use 7X57 Norma brass necked down and fireformed, again a whole lot of work. The above 2 you must keep barrel heat down and don't take them to any GH matches. If shooting occasional varmints waaay out there or paper and not shooting strings one of these 2 may be the way to go.

Middle ground cartridges of the 22 cal class with alot of powder capacity would be a 22-6MM, 22-243, 22-243AI, .220 Weatherby Rocket, and the .220 Swift. All are barrel burners and create alot of heat. The advantage of the necked down .243 case is again Lapua brass. The Rocket and Swift (both of which I am fond of) will work good with Winchester brass, but I am using Norma brass in both of mine currently. In my mind the Rocket or Swift case is about an optimum match with a sleek 80 grain bullet seated in either case. A guy I shoot with is using a .220AI shooting 80 grain Sierra's with a mild load of powder(don't remember what brand) and is driving them 33-3400 depending on bullet. Definately a wind beater at 500 yards and longer.

Lower middle ground would be the 22-250, 22-250 AI, 22XC, and 22X47L. All barrel burners still but are starting to approach some semblance of sanity as far as amount of powder burnt and will usually use under 40 grains of powder. I have owned a couple of standard 22-250's, one AI version and a 22X47L last year that I could get an honest 3,298 FPS as per my Oehler shooting 90 grain Sierra's and and honest 3,495 fps shooting 75 A-Max's. This was in a barrel that had already gone south by the previous owner and I was just playing with speed numbers. The 22XC owned by my cousin mentioned above is a heavy hitter in its own right and very very accurate. I don't remember his speeds with 75 and 80 grain bullets but they were humming. For inherent accuracy and easy tuning any of the above 4 would do well for LR. Forum member "Drags" has a new 22X47L that he had built and i sold him the dies that i had. PM him and see how his progress is with it.

Then the last group would be the 22 dasher, 22 BR, 22 BRX. I have 0 experience with these 3 but I do know they may be very tough to beat in the accuracy department. I based this list on powder capacity and firebreathing ability top to bottom, not out and out accuracy. But in the right rifle/ barrel combo with the correct node having been found all of them will shoot little groups. Just some take more work than others.

If i were to build an 8 twist 22 cal for long distance, I would go with a case out of the middle 2 lists I made. And my choice would probably be a Rocket with a .255 tight neck set up for Norma brass and 80 Sierra's. Using the Rocket or Swift case you can run a milder load compared to some of the others where you almost have to bump up the powder charge to make them hum. And thats why I like the bigger case 22 cals that breathe fire. They are really cool! Nothing like pulling the trigger on something that is is coming out the other end at least 3500 fps or more ;) . Keep us posted on your decision!

Frank
 
I really like the 220 Swift...Got it trimmed down to only 1..A Ruger #2...Truck gun...Always wanted to build a TTH..Texas Trophy Hunter...Forget the parent case..Seems like a 257 Roberts..LT
 
A follow up to Frank's post.. I shot a variety of bullets out of Krieger, 29.250" barrel. Sierra's 69's, A-Max 75's, and JLK 80's.. The A-Max 75's were deadly and were chronographed at 3300 - 3500+ depending how much I lean on it.

Powder charge varied to low as 37.5 to the fill height of the 6XC case shoulder, yeah I warped the case heads before, but those bullets were singing speed too, plus less range clicks I had to remember..

Steve
 
40X Guy said:
George, if wanting the ultimate long range 22 cal. and king of the hill for power and speed that would be the 22-284. Plus the added benefit of having lapua brass as the parent case. I had one of these fire breathers built in the mid 90's by Neil Jones with an 8 twist 30 inch lilja barrel and it was easy to drive 69 Sierra's at 4000 fps. I owned this rifle before I really knew a whole lot about reloading for accuracy (still don't today ;D) and never did get it to shoot 80 grainers well. Plus the brass prep is a whole lot of work. After playing with it on and off for about one year I sold the rifle which was a dumb mistake. Next on the list of firebreathers would probably be a 22-6MMAI or a .224TTH (same thing). High pressure cartridge and best bet would be to use 7X57 Norma brass necked down and fireformed, again a whole lot of work. The above 2 you must keep barrel heat down and don't take them to any GH matches. If shooting occasional varmints waaay out there or paper and not shooting strings one of these 2 may be the way to go.

Middle ground cartridges of the 22 cal class with alot of powder capacity would be a 22-6MM, 22-243, 22-243AI, .220 Weatherby Rocket, and the .220 Swift. All are barrel burners and create alot of heat. The advantage of the necked down .243 case is again Lapua brass. The Rocket and Swift (both of which I am fond of) will work good with Winchester brass, but I am using Norma brass in both of mine currently. In my mind the Rocket or Swift case is about an optimum match with a sleek 80 grain bullet seated in either case. A guy I shoot with is using a .220AI shooting 80 grain Sierra's with a mild load of powder(don't remember what brand) and is driving them 33-3400 depending on bullet. Definately a wind beater at 500 yards and longer.

Lower middle ground would be the 22-250, 22-250 AI, 22XC, and 22X47L. All barrel burners still but are starting to approach some semblance of sanity as far as amount of powder burnt and will usually use under 40 grains of powder. I have owned a couple of standard 22-250's, one AI version and a 22X47L last year that I could get an honest 3,298 FPS as per my Oehler shooting 90 grain Sierra's and and honest 3,495 fps shooting 75 A-Max's. This was in a barrel that had already gone south by the previous owner and I was just playing with speed numbers. The 22XC owned by my cousin mentioned above is a heavy hitter in its own right and very very accurate. I don't remember his speeds with 75 and 80 grain bullets but they were humming. For inherent accuracy and easy tuning any of the above 4 would do well for LR. Forum member "Drags" has a new 22X47L that he had built and i sold him the dies that i had. PM him and see how his progress is with it.

Then the last group would be the 22 dasher, 22 BR, 22 BRX. I have 0 experience with these 3 but I do know they may be very tough to beat in the accuracy department. I based this list on powder capacity and firebreathing ability top to bottom, not out and out accuracy. But in the right rifle/ barrel combo with the correct node having been found all of them will shoot little groups. Just some take more work than others.

If i were to build an 8 twist 22 cal for long distance, I would go with a case out of the middle 2 lists I made. And my choice would probably be a Rocket with a .255 tight neck set up for Norma brass and 80 Sierra's. Using the Rocket or Swift case you can run a milder load compared to some of the others where you almost have to bump up the powder charge to make them hum. And thats why I like the bigger case 22 cals that breathe fire. They are really cool! Nothing like pulling the trigger on something that is is coming out the other end at least 3500 fps or more ;) . Keep us posted on your decision!

Frank

Good post Frank! Thanks.
 
Have a new 22-6mm with a 30" Krieger 1-8 that I am just starting to develop loads for. Best so far is the 80.5gr. Berger with Norma MRP and Win brass. Most accurate load gives 3540fps which is about 1-1.5gr below max. and 3 shot groups of 0.12". Planned to start working up a deer load with the Barnes 70 gr. TSX this week but 14" of rain have put me on hold. I don't see it as a high volumn, fast shooter, but as a fun gun.
A well deserved "thank you" to 40x guy for his suberb discussion on the 22s.
Bill
 
James Phillips and Rodney Wagner both set records with the
22 Dasher at 600 yard IBS matches.
Both later switched to the 6 MM version.
 

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