Living proof we have Coyotes in North Carolina
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we like to dole out the magic weiners( hot dogs with a little something special for mr coyote) but i do like to hunt the dogs in the large pastures around my land. most of my yote kills are when deer hunting though.i too have seen the carnage of springtime calving cows.i realize they are just doing what the do best and are great hunters, but poison, traps, gun hunting, whatever it takes to keep them in check is necessary. oh yea i have taken a few with my bow too. during a springtime turkey hunt i was calling to a tom and almost got jumped on from behind by a coyote who was slipping up on what he thought was a hen. that could have been ugly!
No matter what'cha think of any critter it still deserves a clean/quick end, and yes I trapped back in the day. If you want others to Respect your opinions than Respect theirs.
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I do not like steel traps either. My grandpa was a rancher , so I have seen what coyotes can do. In the end, they are only trying to survive, same as us. They should be treated as humanely as possible and dispatched quickly.
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I do not like steel traps either. My grandpa was a rancher , so I have seen what coyotes can do. In the end, they are only trying to survive, same as us. They should be treated as humanely as possible and dispatched quickly.
Just one comment, for those that think that coyotes/ wolves are cruel in the way they kill their preys:
Tie your fingers with duct tape and go in the woods and try to kill a deer , a rabbit or any other big prey with just your teethes.
we ll see how long it will take for your prey to die under your bite.
That is how nature design them, (God for some, evolution for the others).
It is has cruel as a cat playing with a mouse, a rattle snake biting a rat , a falcon starting to eat his prey alive... and I could go on like that for pages.
If you can not bear the fact that mother nature is cruel, pack up you guns, move to NY city or Nepal, and become a vegan or a Buddhist, there is nothing wrong against that. If it is a viable alternative for your mind
Nic
Tie your fingers with duct tape and go in the woods and try to kill a deer , a rabbit or any other big prey with just your teethes.
we ll see how long it will take for your prey to die under your bite.
That is how nature design them, (God for some, evolution for the others).
It is has cruel as a cat playing with a mouse, a rattle snake biting a rat , a falcon starting to eat his prey alive... and I could go on like that for pages.
If you can not bear the fact that mother nature is cruel, pack up you guns, move to NY city or Nepal, and become a vegan or a Buddhist, there is nothing wrong against that. If it is a viable alternative for your mind
Nic
bozo699
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Nic,D-mon said:Just one comment, for those that think that coyotes/ wolves are cruel in the way they kill their preys:
Tie your fingers with duct tape and go in the woods and try to kill a deer , a rabbit or any other big prey with just your teethes.
we ll see how long it will take for your prey to die under your bite.
That is how nature design them, (God for some, evolution for the others).
It is has cruel as a cat playing with a mouse, a rattle snake biting a rat , a falcon starting to eat his prey alive... and I could go on like that for pages.
If you can not bear the fact that mother nature is cruel, pack up you guns, move to NY city or Nepal, and become a vegan or a Buddhist, there is nothing wrong against that. If it is a viable alternative for your mind
Nic
That's the most ridiculous statement I have heard thus far on this thread! It is fine to have a opinion, I support other peoples opinions, ask dreever. However this is stupidity not a opinion, Cats play with a mouse when there board, when hungry cat's and that is from fee fee the house cat to the king of cats the Lion generally kill there prey with there canines by severing the spine at the neck, almost instant death! A rattle snake usually eat mice or mice sized animals, there venom immobilizes and kill in a very short time, coyotes and wolves could kill they just don't, they pull there prey down and eat from the rectum in. I don't believe in evolution so I guess God made them that way which is fine by me because God also made me dominate over all things with fur, feathers, and that slithers and crawls, and I will exercise that right by exterminating undesirable predators to a desired level because God gave me that right!! now if your a Darwin freak then that still applies as the dominate one rules the roost, and last I checked out superior brains made us the dominate species!! Now making stupid statements like this may be okay when you live in New York city, Los Angeles or maybe closer to home, Auckland it is acceptable but when you live out here where they freely roam, in my case where the idiotic government reintroduced something that never had been there to start with like the gray wolf, it is pretty hard to stomach walking out into your pasture and seeing your prize cow with her guts tore out and not be able to do anything about it legally because of the left wing idiots running this country! Your mind would change drastically if it was your family pet, spouse or child laying there disemboweled and that can and has happened!! but God forbid we manage there numbers we might unbalance the ecosystem?? B** S**# remember Liberalism really is a Mental Disorder!!
Wayne.
If you think coyotes are hard on deer and livestock, just wait, you will see you quail and turkey population go downhill fast. Here in Central Illinois they (coyotes) and the hawks have eradicated the Pheasant and rabbits. Our Pheasant population went down in great numbers as the coyote population increased. Today you have the choice of hunting Deer, squirrels or coyotes. No game birds or rabbits left to hunt. My close friend and hunting partner farms 3000 acres, saw two pheasants during harvest. Since our deer population has grown so has the coyote numbers, with all other game dwindling. They are so wild that if you stop a truck within a half mile of them while they are in an open field they are gone in a dead run, I think they have my license plate memorized. Shoot at s coyote here, you either kill him or educate him for life.
bozo699
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areaone said:If you think coyotes are hard on deer and livestock, just wait, you will see you quail and turkey population go downhill fast. Here in Central Illinois they (coyotes) and the hawks have eradicated the Pheasant and rabbits. Our Pheasant population went down in great numbers as the coyote population increased. Today you have the choice of hunting Deer, squirrels or coyotes. No game birds or rabbits left to hunt. My close friend and hunting partner farms 3000 acres, saw two pheasants during harvest. Since our deer population has grown so has the coyote numbers, with all other game dwindling. They are so wild that if you stop a truck within a half mile of them while they are in an open field they are gone in a dead run, I think they have my license plate memorized. Shoot at s coyote here, you either kill him or educate him for life.
That's just a little bit funny right there ;D and I believe it to be true, as they do the same to me when I even back off the throttle
Wayne.
Hi Wayne,
Sorry for upsetting you with my statement.
Have look at the following video, that was two days ago:
http://tvnz.co.nz/national-news/toddler-unfazed-lion-encounter-video-4680454
I let you imagine the scene with out the glass in the African plains...(would you then eradicate all the lions of Africa?)
Anyway, coming back to our subject, before your god set foot on the great plains, and when the local tribes still used bow and arrows, (and even before them), there must have been a kind of balance between the predators themselves and the predators and the preys. I do not know what it was then for the coyotes/ wolves but I guess their ways of catching preys and killing must not have changed much over time.
What has changed is what man has done to the landscape and how now wildlife has to be managed to fit into that landscape .
Knowing that population increase and wide spreading, specially for the last 50 years is creating more conflicts between humans and animals.
In a way everybody is somewhat competing for food on the land, be it your cattles, the prairie dogs or the coyotes. (for examples...)
I have no problems with you zapping coyotes, I have shot a few myself in SD and found coyote calling a very interesting sport.
But I think that the right that God gave you to manage the preys/predators (deers /coyotes in this case ) is exactly the same right that he gave to rattle snakes to bite you when you step on their tails or the pack of wolves/coyotes to eat the way they do whatever falls under their Paws...
Yes you have a bigger brain, and you can watch where you put your feet, and protect your herd by anyway you chose, but that does not stop mother nature from being the way she is: CRUEL, sometimes.
I ll stop here. I am not willing to enter in conflict with you. I do not believe in God as you will have noticed, and I do not dislike Darwin either, even if I probably read more verses of the bible than his book.
Have a good day.
Nic
Sorry for upsetting you with my statement.
Have look at the following video, that was two days ago:
http://tvnz.co.nz/national-news/toddler-unfazed-lion-encounter-video-4680454
I let you imagine the scene with out the glass in the African plains...(would you then eradicate all the lions of Africa?)
Anyway, coming back to our subject, before your god set foot on the great plains, and when the local tribes still used bow and arrows, (and even before them), there must have been a kind of balance between the predators themselves and the predators and the preys. I do not know what it was then for the coyotes/ wolves but I guess their ways of catching preys and killing must not have changed much over time.
What has changed is what man has done to the landscape and how now wildlife has to be managed to fit into that landscape .
Knowing that population increase and wide spreading, specially for the last 50 years is creating more conflicts between humans and animals.
In a way everybody is somewhat competing for food on the land, be it your cattles, the prairie dogs or the coyotes. (for examples...)
I have no problems with you zapping coyotes, I have shot a few myself in SD and found coyote calling a very interesting sport.
But I think that the right that God gave you to manage the preys/predators (deers /coyotes in this case ) is exactly the same right that he gave to rattle snakes to bite you when you step on their tails or the pack of wolves/coyotes to eat the way they do whatever falls under their Paws...
Yes you have a bigger brain, and you can watch where you put your feet, and protect your herd by anyway you chose, but that does not stop mother nature from being the way she is: CRUEL, sometimes.
I ll stop here. I am not willing to enter in conflict with you. I do not believe in God as you will have noticed, and I do not dislike Darwin either, even if I probably read more verses of the bible than his book.
Have a good day.
Nic
bozo699
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Nic,D-mon said:
Just a couple replies then I'll comment no more on the subject with you.
#1 Thank GOD there was glass there or the world would have lost a precious little girl for absolute sure!!
#2 There was nothing before GOD
#3 I feel sorry for you, not knowing GOD,...you must be a very empty person.
#4 We will not enter conflict as I also will stop here as we WILL NOT have any further communications, have a nice life!
Very Very sincerely Wayne.A. Bezona
Just one comment. back when the Indians freely roamed the plains, there weren't thousands of acres of corn and other crops. Which caused the deer population to explode, which caused the coyote population to grow. And the coyotes prey on the deer, unfortunately they also prey on cattle and sheep, which are easy pickings that also weren't around 200 years ago.
man what a read I have to say.
Nic I am sorry that you don't know GOD.he is a wounderful part of life if you will let him in.
now to the topic.just wanted to add that here in SC their are two less female coyotes to breed.me and my babby girl to them out on our first ever coyote hunt.we even called one in useing a deer call that sounded like a doe or young fawn.now we just need to get the rest of them in our hunting spot. ;D
Nic I am sorry that you don't know GOD.he is a wounderful part of life if you will let him in.
now to the topic.just wanted to add that here in SC their are two less female coyotes to breed.me and my babby girl to them out on our first ever coyote hunt.we even called one in useing a deer call that sounded like a doe or young fawn.now we just need to get the rest of them in our hunting spot. ;D
BigDMT
Coyotes definitely need to be kept in check IMO. They can be really hard on all game up to deer size when heavy snow gets a good crust on it. I've talked to cattle farmers here in eastern Montana who have witnessed coyotes kill and eat new born calves in February as they fell from a cow's uterus. Lot of money lost there for a rancher. Not to mention the horrific death for the calf.
Coyotes are no better than wolves except that they dont mess with the big game nearly as much.
But to play the other side of the ball...
They are actually surprisingly omnivorous in the fact that they eat a lot of shrubbery, and other plant life to balance their diet. Ever seen a dog eat grass??? They do it for the same reason. They also love caterpillars and grasshoppers. Also a huge part of their diet in the spring and summer.
Most of our coyotes in Eastern MT have enough rodents and road kill to keep them fat and healthy without having to attack big game or livestock. But with a heavy snow where the opportunity presents itself, they wont hesitate.
Our whitetail population was skyrocketing so bad around here the last couple years, I actually wished people shot a few less coyotes. Humans can only do so much to control deer populations. Fish and Game allows the purchase of 5 doe tags and 1 buck tag, but most people don't ever get more than one doe tag, and a lot of hunters don't even fill it.
So Mother Nature unfortunately corrected the population problem this year by infecting the whitetail's with Blue Tongue. Wiped out up to 90% of whitetail deer populations in some areas. Went from, deer everywhere you turned your head, to "where's all the deer at?"
So it makes a person wonder, "if the coyotes don't get em, what will?"
And to clear up my position on coyote hunting...I shoot any coyote that crosses my path : )
Coyotes are no better than wolves except that they dont mess with the big game nearly as much.
But to play the other side of the ball...
They are actually surprisingly omnivorous in the fact that they eat a lot of shrubbery, and other plant life to balance their diet. Ever seen a dog eat grass??? They do it for the same reason. They also love caterpillars and grasshoppers. Also a huge part of their diet in the spring and summer.
Most of our coyotes in Eastern MT have enough rodents and road kill to keep them fat and healthy without having to attack big game or livestock. But with a heavy snow where the opportunity presents itself, they wont hesitate.
Our whitetail population was skyrocketing so bad around here the last couple years, I actually wished people shot a few less coyotes. Humans can only do so much to control deer populations. Fish and Game allows the purchase of 5 doe tags and 1 buck tag, but most people don't ever get more than one doe tag, and a lot of hunters don't even fill it.
So Mother Nature unfortunately corrected the population problem this year by infecting the whitetail's with Blue Tongue. Wiped out up to 90% of whitetail deer populations in some areas. Went from, deer everywhere you turned your head, to "where's all the deer at?"
So it makes a person wonder, "if the coyotes don't get em, what will?"
And to clear up my position on coyote hunting...I shoot any coyote that crosses my path : )
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