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Light Loads for .308 Win

Been playing around with some reduced loads for a buddy with a .270, and found a good one with IMR4895. Shoots sub-moa with the 120SST. That bullet was intended for the 6.8SPC and the reduced load for the .270 pushes it about that fast, so it'll be his deer load this year. Way less blast, and not as much recoil.
Shortly thereafter, Hodgdon added reduced loads to their Reloading Data Center, including one with IMR4350, so I loaded some with that powder too. He hasn't shot that one yet.
This led me to take a look through my load manuals and see what is listed for my .308. The older Speer books show a Reduced Load or two at the end of their data for a particular bullet, but not much else. Most reduced loads use SR4759 or Accurate 5744, and I don't have either of those.
So now, finally on to the purpose for this post. My Hornady Fifth Edition, the one that has two separate books, has data for the .308 Win, with 165 grain bullets, that goes all the way down to 2100 FPS. That book has data for the 150SST, but not for the 165SST, maybe it wasn't out at that time. I have enough of the 165SSTs to play a little, so I loaded ten with Varget at the very low end of the published range (but not the lowest listed) for the 165 AMAX from that book. The charge of Varget was about 2/3 of the case volume. I loaded these in some cleaned and prepped LC NATO brass, since I thought any reduced capacity in that brass would actually help here.
Shot them today at 100 yards and it took a few shots to get them zeroed in comparison to my near full loads with that same bullet, but it was within a few inches. I was a little leery on the first one, but it's published data, and they all fired like any other round. Last five shots printed inside an inch, which I know isn't all that incredible, but it recoiled more like my 6mmARC. This would be a great starter round for a new shooter or a youngster hunting. I'm going to load a few more, and see how this does across a few range trips, and get a few rounds over the chronograph if possible. Maybe shoot at 50 and again at 200 just to see what trajectory looks like.
I thought it was interesting that the older Hornady book had loads for the .308 that went down that low.
 
My Hornady Fifth Edition, the one that has two separate books, has data for the .308 Win, with 165 grain bullets, that goes all the way down to 2100 FPS. That book has data for the 150SST, but not for the 165SST, maybe it wasn't out at that time.

Don't get me started on the Hornady reloading book, I have the 9th edition and have been trying to hold out for the 12th edition coming out, but it takes a long time. Not only for Hornady, but the Barnes manual is over 15 years old as well. Both have data online and I have purchased some of the 11th edition app data, they sell those for $1/ea, I recommend getting the latest 308 data. The app is free to download.

165 gr. SST
C.O.L.: 2.750
SD: 0.248
G1 BC: 0.447

Varget, min to max 32.6, 34.9, 37.1, 39.4, 41.7, 44.0
FPS 2100 2200 2300 2400 2500 2600

Are you using any other powders?

FWIW, I recommend the 150 gr. CX in the 308, very similar to the 165 SST, but monolithic. Devistating results.
 
I've only loaded with Varget for those low velocity loads. Shoots quite well for me, and if it can do that over a couple different range sessions, I'll probably use it myself.

And I'll look into the 150 CX too, thanks. I haven't loaded any monolithic bullets yet, but they all seem to be longer and require tighter twist than the same weight lead bullets, which makes sense. Lots of positive reports though, and I've seen a few comments about how they may even be more accurate overall due to their construction.
 
I helped a buddy work up a load for his little girl to deer hunt with, we used a 125 grain Nosler BT and H4895. I believe we ended up at 60% of the max charge but as always please double check me, I'm old and have CRS. It worked really well on whitetails.
 
And I'll look into the 150 CX too, thanks. I haven't loaded any monolithic bullets yet, but they all seem to be longer and require tighter twist than the same weight lead bullets, which makes sense.

I think the non-lead aspect makes monolithics worthwhile, although people have been hunting for years with lead bullets.

I will be honest, I was forced into it if I want to hunt, being that I'm in California. However, aside from the cost, it makes sense to me. Hornady and Barnes have slightly heavier 168s, 175s and 180s if you desire. The key is getting the bullets on sale and with free shipping. There was some great sales that the Forum Boss posted recently, but my guess is the next sale will be after TG, for what was deemed the real Black Friday. I like the 150s in CX for 308. That will take down almost any game in NA with a well-placed shot. I also like 6.5 CM, but 308 takes a slightly heavier, equivalent bullet. Both are XLNT cartridges, IMO. I also have some 150 grain Barnes TSX (non-tipped), and those are pretty devastating in themselves. Good luck!

We're seeing a lot more options in monolithics these days and the cost is coming down also. The 308 is well tested on these bullets. And there is absolutely nothing wrong with Varget, I have about 6 lbs. on hand. My only complaint is that it doesn't meter very well in a Dillon. I now use a Chargemaster Supreme and it seems to meter better with the nose adapter on the tube. (aka the McDonalds straw trick to some) Varget is possibly my favorite powder, very forgiving, and works in a slew of cartridges.;)

EDIT: @Rickhem

On second look at the Barnes data, they have a slew of monolithics for 308, and Varget is the recommended powder for much of it. See this link: (yes, it's 3 years old, but that is actually current for reload data)


EDIT2: on second look, the Hornady 11th edition app data has Varget for most loads you would want to shoot also @Rickhem. Also to note that the GMX uses the same load data as the CX, the CX is basically the same. Test in your rifle if you use it.
 
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If you are looking for a hunting load, one bullet I would look at is hornady part number 30303 it is a 150gr sst specifically made for tbe 300 savage, optimised for those speeds and slightly shorter that the standard 150 sst, which should be pretty close to a mild 308 load amd has a better bc than 3030 flat nose bullets. I cant speak from experience as I have never used that bullet but it sure sounds good for what you are doing.
 
If you are looking for a hunting load, one bullet I would look at is hornady part number 30303 it is a 150gr sst specifically made for tbe 300 savage, optimised for those speeds and slightly shorter that the standard 150 sst, which should be pretty close to a mild 308 load amd has a better bc than 3030 flat nose bullets. I cant speak from experience as I have never used that bullet but it sure sounds good for what you are doing.
Found these 30303 bullets on the shelf on my last visit to the LGS. Bought a box and I'll give these a go, probably this weekend. I'll post up how that goes if I do.

Thanks for the tip!
 
Loaded up 10 rounds as a start for some entry level testing. Charge was 35.0 Varget, which is a very light load per the Hornady manual. I loaded these in LC Nato brass, with BR2 primers. OAL was 2.750, which put it right in the middle of the cannelure on the bullet.
Shot them this afternoon. Strangely, a few of the rounds had hard bolt closure, so maybe the LC brass was a little bit on the thick side. I only shot 5 and wanted to measure some things on the other 5 because of that hard bolt closure feeling.
They didn't group well, giving just about 2½" for 5 shots at 100 yards. Recoil was very light, as expected, and the chrono gave an average of 2263fps, with an SD of 25.4.
My standard hunting load of 44.0 Varget with the 165SST shoots into ½" for 3 shots at 100, and it did that again today, so I know the rifle is fine. That chrono'ed an average of 2808fps.
I'm thinking that I need to get back to commercial brass for these, and bump up to get into the 2450-2500fps window. The loads I see for the 300 Savage show velocities up to mid 2500s, so I'm still lower than that, and can bump the charge accordingly.
So even though only 5 shots fired, and another 5 loaded and ready, I'm thinking I need to bump it up a bit. I'll measure the necks of the loaded rounds and see why some are harder to chamber, and load up a few more, working my way up towards that 2450-2500fps.
 
Don’t overlook the Hornady SubX line of bullets in .308.

Likewise, I have a super sonic load for my .300 BO using the 110 gr CX and it is utter death on Whitetails at 2,275-2,325 FPS with minimal recoil. Seems it would be viable with H4895 loaded in .308 Win to this speed.
 
Strangely, a few of the rounds had hard bolt closure, so maybe the LC brass was a little bit on the thick side. I only shot 5 and wanted to measure some things on the other 5 because of that hard bolt closure feeling.
It is but a hard bolt close is a sizing issue.
Any Milspec brass in 308 has a little less capacity than 308 brass so watch you loads and keep lower loadings than 308 cases when loading 7.62x51 brass.
 
Not all powders will behave for reduced loads, but H4895 was always the recommended one to try first.
https://hodgdonpowderco.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/04/h4895-reduced-rifle-loads-2.pdf
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The only problem I see, is that H4895 hasn't been available in a long time, so unless you get lucky or already have it, now isn't a great time to need it. Ask around at your local clubs and maybe one of the folks who shoot CMP games will part with some. Many of The Wooden Guns games use reduced loads since we only shoot 200 yards.
 
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Not all powders will behave for reduced loads, but H4895 was always the recommended one to try first.
https://hodgdonpowderco.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/04/h4895-reduced-rifle-loads-2.pdf
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The only problem I see, is that H4894 hasn't been available in a long time, so unless you get lucky or already have it, now isn't a great time to need it. Ask around at your local clubs and maybe one of the folks who shoot CMP games will part with some. Many of The Wooden Guns games use reduced loads since we only shoot 200 yards.
Not all of us are restricted to H4895 from Hodgdon which is ADI 2206H.

Reduced load chart:
Set this page to show only 2206H loads:
https://www.adiworldclass.com.au/data-rifle/308-winchester
 
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I've been actively looking for H4895 for about two years now. I'm on a few lists for when they have it available, and it's something I always ask about whenever someone asks "Can I help you find anything?" in any of the local shops.
I'll check out that link when I get home later @Homerange as my company firewall blocks it. Thanks!
 
Not all of us are restricted to H4895 from Hodgdon which is ADI 2206H.

Reduced load chart:
Set this page to show only 2206H loads:
https://www.adiworldclass.com.au/data-rifle/308-winchester
Well aware of ADI but the OP doesn't live in that part of the world.
 
I don't have H4350 on hand, and don't have access to ADI (although haven't really dug into that). This was more to get started with something using mostly components already in my possession. Hodgdon's site does show reduced loads now, but the powders listed are quite limited. H4895 would be great too, but that is just not available, and I've been looking for a long time for it.

I've had success with reduced loads for a buddy's .270 using the 120SST bullets, and had some good results with light loads in my .308 and the 165SST. The mention of the 150SST, specifically the 30303 bullet, seemed to match up well with what we did for the reduced .270 loads, by finding a bullet designed for a particular velocity window, and loading to that. I think it's a great way to go, but now the work is finding a lower velocity .308 load using that 30303 bullet that is intended for the 300 Savage. It's clearly different from the other 150SST that Hornady makes, and if I can get to it later, I'll post pictures of them to show what I'm talking about. I'm getting results that would be absolutely fine for deer hunting, especially the woods hunting we do here in the northeast, but we're all always looking for something better. Plus it's kinda fun to see if I can get that kind of a load to shoot better, maybe even MUCH better.
 
I used a load in my .308 that was 125gr NBT with a full case of H4350. It was slow, and nowhere near a hot load, but it shot fantastic.
 
Have you tried lighter weight bullets? With new bullet construction your 125-130gr bullets perform as well as standard cup and core 165gr bullets, and you could load them on the lighter side of the normal range and have a low recoil round that still has a good velocity for an acceptable point-blank range for hunting.
 

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